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Today, I received a fedex package demanding that I "cease and desist" from bashing StocksAtBotttom.com. Why? I exposed them for the frauds that they are. I informed people as to how they would have fared 2001-2002 if they followed the bullish recommendations of this website. For that, I've been asked to terminate my criticism or else.
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StanWeinstein 
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Posted 04 February 2003 - 11:42 PM
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Sam Adams
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Posted 05 February 2003 - 12:05 AM
Or else what? All you need to do is to preface all statements with "In my opinion..." or "I believe...". These type of statements are constitutionally protected speech and cannot be challenged as being slander or liable.
However, if you make a statement of fact that disparages them and you do not specify it as your opinion you open yourself up to all sorts of liability.
Example: "You are a son'uva bitch." Slander if spoken or liable if written.
Example: "I think you are a son'uva bitch". Opinion and Constitutionally protected speech.
Example: "You are a thief". Slander and/or liable.
Example: "In my opinion you are a thief". This is OK.
Go to the local library and get one of those books they make broadcasting people read before being allowed to go on the air. It has all of the do's and don'ts in it as outlined above. Then, you can really make these people miserable and there isn't a damn thing they can do about it. Now go out there and kick evil's ass! All just my opinion of course.
However, if you make a statement of fact that disparages them and you do not specify it as your opinion you open yourself up to all sorts of liability.
Example: "You are a son'uva bitch." Slander if spoken or liable if written.
Example: "I think you are a son'uva bitch". Opinion and Constitutionally protected speech.
Example: "You are a thief". Slander and/or liable.
Example: "In my opinion you are a thief". This is OK.
Go to the local library and get one of those books they make broadcasting people read before being allowed to go on the air. It has all of the do's and don'ts in it as outlined above. Then, you can really make these people miserable and there isn't a damn thing they can do about it. Now go out there and kick evil's ass! All just my opinion of course.
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StanWeinstein
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Posted 05 February 2003 - 12:17 AM
Sam Adams, on Feb 4 2003, 11:05 PM, said:
Or else what? All you need to do is to preface all statements with "In my opinion..." or "I believe...". These type of statements are constitutionally protected speech and cannot be challenged as being slander or liable.
Thanx.
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PileDriver
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Posted 05 February 2003 - 12:19 AM
Jesse Livermore rule: Never dollar cost avg (buy more at lower prices), only buy more (at higher price) if initial trade is right.
And what do they suggest as a "tip"?
http://stocksatbottom.com/tips2.htm
Another rule: don't listen to tips.
What a jackass site.
Just proves that the mania is still alive and kicking.
And what do they suggest as a "tip"?
http://stocksatbottom.com/tips2.htm
Another rule: don't listen to tips.
What a jackass site.
Just proves that the mania is still alive and kicking.
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Dustbowl
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Posted 05 February 2003 - 12:35 AM
Stan, In addition to the opinion disclaimer messages you might add, you also need to know that the truth is a defense in libel and slander cases. That said, I am not offering you legal advice and you and I do not enjoy an attorney-client relationship. The hard reality is: no matter if you use disclaimer language and no matter if the truth is your defense, any litigation they bring will be costly to you. Before you go out there and take on the world, make sure you allow a decent sized budget for the costs. Good luck.
BTW, I looked at this website a couple of years ago and in my opinion they are a bunch of idiots. I am with you on this one.
BTW, I looked at this website a couple of years ago and in my opinion they are a bunch of idiots. I am with you on this one.
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Sam Adams
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Posted 05 February 2003 - 12:55 AM
Nah, you don't need to set aside money before you can communicate. I've sued others for liable and I've been sued for liable. Just add the disclaimer and you'll be fine.
It's fun to give scumbags their comeuppance. Go get one of those broadcast books and you'll be a tiger.
NOW GO KICK EVIL'S ASS!
It's fun to give scumbags their comeuppance. Go get one of those broadcast books and you'll be a tiger.
NOW GO KICK EVIL'S ASS!
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PrtzlLogic
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Posted 05 February 2003 - 02:06 AM
PileDriver, on Feb 4 2003, 09:19 PM, said:
Jesse Livermore rule: Never dollar cost avg (buy more at lower prices), only buy more (at higher price) if initial trade is right.
And what do they suggest as a "tip"?
http://stocksatbottom.com/tips2.htm
Another rule: don't listen to tips.
What a jackass site.
Just proves that the mania is still alive and kicking.
And what do they suggest as a "tip"?
http://stocksatbottom.com/tips2.htm
Another rule: don't listen to tips.
What a jackass site.
Just proves that the mania is still alive and kicking.
You mean: in your opinion, this is a jackass site. I concur with your opinion.
Somewhat ironic that they chose AT&T and Lucent as their examples... we all know how well "dollar cost averaging" into these stocks has worked for the past several years.
"Well did you read the news today?
They say the danger's gone away.
But I can see the fires, still alight,
they're burning into the night." - Genesis, Land of Confusion
They say the danger's gone away.
But I can see the fires, still alight,
they're burning into the night." - Genesis, Land of Confusion
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DrStool
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Posted 05 February 2003 - 07:55 AM
I'm a little uncomfortable about exposing the incompetence of those who are not public figures, even if it is true.
Any of you lawyers willing to do some pro boner work, just in case?
Of course, I could always show any potential litigant my net worth. That would stop them fer sure.
Should I even leave this thread open?
Any of you lawyers willing to do some pro boner work, just in case?
Of course, I could always show any potential litigant my net worth. That would stop them fer sure.
Should I even leave this thread open?
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machinehead
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Posted 05 February 2003 - 09:04 AM
The SEC has regulated investment advisors for years. So "investment advice" gets treated a little differently than ordinary personal free speech.
"The truth" may not be knowable with regard to market opinions, or may be known only in retrospect.
Long-established market letter writers such as Richard Russell, Gerald Appel and Arch Crawford tend to quote and praise their like-thinking peers, while just ignoring the shills, or referring to them as a group rather than by name. Seems like a good policy.
"The truth" may not be knowable with regard to market opinions, or may be known only in retrospect.
Long-established market letter writers such as Richard Russell, Gerald Appel and Arch Crawford tend to quote and praise their like-thinking peers, while just ignoring the shills, or referring to them as a group rather than by name. Seems like a good policy.
"GOLD -- it's not just for misers anymore."
"Dollahs -- fire-starters for the K-wave winter." - Drano
"Three humps and a dump." - anotherone, 21 SEP 2004
"No gold was harmed in the making of this movie." - Bizarro Greenspan
[i]"Da Track. Da place where Morons bet on Animals Controlled by Criminals." - our jickiss
"Dollahs -- fire-starters for the K-wave winter." - Drano
"Three humps and a dump." - anotherone, 21 SEP 2004
"No gold was harmed in the making of this movie." - Bizarro Greenspan
[i]"Da Track. Da place where Morons bet on Animals Controlled by Criminals." - our jickiss
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BAREister
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Posted 05 February 2003 - 07:25 PM
Doc,
Don't worry!
If you ever get into trouble, BAREister will defend you.
Oh man that would be great!
Instead of "My Cousin Vinny" it would be "My Friend Furry!"
Yeah,and HRFF would call on you FUR his GRAFFIX to use in courtroom exhibits. That might (putting a jury into paroxysms of UNCONTROLLOBLY DERISIVE? LAUGHTER) comprise/be construed ASS unprofessional conduct however...
The BARE hASS noted here many X he is an EX-attorney, licensed on INACTIVE status. Hung up his BRIEFS, he hASS. LOL
He's morphed.
in/via Calvin and Hobbes' transmorgrification cardboard box.
SHHHHHH!!!! don'tTELLanybuddy!
Don't worry!
If you ever get into trouble, BAREister will defend you.
Oh man that would be great!
Instead of "My Cousin Vinny" it would be "My Friend Furry!"
Yeah,and HRFF would call on you FUR his GRAFFIX to use in courtroom exhibits. That might (putting a jury into paroxysms of UNCONTROLLOBLY DERISIVE? LAUGHTER) comprise/be construed ASS unprofessional conduct however...
The BARE hASS noted here many X he is an EX-attorney, licensed on INACTIVE status. Hung up his BRIEFS, he hASS. LOL
He's morphed.
in/via Calvin and Hobbes' transmorgrification cardboard box.
SHHHHHH!!!! don'tTELLanybuddy!
"The sphinx set riddles for people which they could not solve and the sphinx devoured them." Russian poet Ilia Ehrenberg reflecting years later upon the debacle of the Bolshevik Revolution and civil war
"In any case, experience shows people are unlikely to change their ways without a cataclysm of existential proportions" Meinhard Meigel, German economist and demography expert on his prophecy of a Wagnerian abyss of social and economic chaos
"We believe that here is no easy way out of this mess, and that the chance of a benign outcome, while hopefully possible, is quite low." Comstock Partners 3-17-2005
"Not without a shudder may the human hand reach into the mysterious urn of destiny." Junk email promoting the sale of Valium, Viagra, Soma and Cialis. Of course, we AMERICANS need not WORRY about such CLAPTRAP!!!
"The trouble about myths, or lies, is that those who foster them are stuck with them." Edward Crankshaw
"I don't buy the idea that a crash will come without warning. There are always warnings. All crashes have certain common technical preconditions." Doc (snorjt)
"YOU look IMPORTANT. Are you important, or just....WEIRD?"
"Bob I am" at a political gathering, to HRFF, 9-29-04
"Are YOU C.I.A.???"
"No, I'm not "CIA"."
"Well, you sure LOOK LIKE you're C.I.A.!!!"
Lead singer of the rock band KISS to HRFF at a luggage carousel at SeaTac airport circa 1996
"Unlike you, I use words people can understand." Doc
"America at the moment, with its faith-based currency, faith-based economy and faith-based government, might be a heaven for those who love faith, but it's a hell for those of us that respect evidence." The Daily (W?)Reckoning, circa 9-17-04
"What should be clear at this point is that even huge fiscal stimulus and unprecedented financial excess are incapable of fostering a sound and self-sustaining economic expansion. The paramount issue, today and going forward, is the deeply maladjusted U.S. economy and its increasing unresponsiveness to even enormous yet misdirected financial stimulus. Both the Financial Sphere and Economic Sphere are severely maladjusted." Doug Noland's Credit Bubble Bulletin, Aug 24 '04
"U.S. dollar purchasing power relies almost entirely on the difference between interest rates in Japan and the higher rates in the United States." Warren Pollock, Prudent Bear essay circa 9-04
"What about your replacements? the Children. What do we tell them when the whole thing caves in?" HyperTiger
"In any case, experience shows people are unlikely to change their ways without a cataclysm of existential proportions" Meinhard Meigel, German economist and demography expert on his prophecy of a Wagnerian abyss of social and economic chaos
"We believe that here is no easy way out of this mess, and that the chance of a benign outcome, while hopefully possible, is quite low." Comstock Partners 3-17-2005
"Not without a shudder may the human hand reach into the mysterious urn of destiny." Junk email promoting the sale of Valium, Viagra, Soma and Cialis. Of course, we AMERICANS need not WORRY about such CLAPTRAP!!!
"The trouble about myths, or lies, is that those who foster them are stuck with them." Edward Crankshaw
"I don't buy the idea that a crash will come without warning. There are always warnings. All crashes have certain common technical preconditions." Doc (snorjt)
"YOU look IMPORTANT. Are you important, or just....WEIRD?"
"Bob I am" at a political gathering, to HRFF, 9-29-04
"Are YOU C.I.A.???"
"No, I'm not "CIA"."
"Well, you sure LOOK LIKE you're C.I.A.!!!"
Lead singer of the rock band KISS to HRFF at a luggage carousel at SeaTac airport circa 1996
"Unlike you, I use words people can understand." Doc
"America at the moment, with its faith-based currency, faith-based economy and faith-based government, might be a heaven for those who love faith, but it's a hell for those of us that respect evidence." The Daily (W?)Reckoning, circa 9-17-04
"What should be clear at this point is that even huge fiscal stimulus and unprecedented financial excess are incapable of fostering a sound and self-sustaining economic expansion. The paramount issue, today and going forward, is the deeply maladjusted U.S. economy and its increasing unresponsiveness to even enormous yet misdirected financial stimulus. Both the Financial Sphere and Economic Sphere are severely maladjusted." Doug Noland's Credit Bubble Bulletin, Aug 24 '04
"U.S. dollar purchasing power relies almost entirely on the difference between interest rates in Japan and the higher rates in the United States." Warren Pollock, Prudent Bear essay circa 9-04
"What about your replacements? the Children. What do we tell them when the whole thing caves in?" HyperTiger
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