Butterfield 8 Posted July 25, 2004 Report Share Posted July 25, 2004 Amazing story Brian. My folks were children in the '30's. touching, incredible stories from that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian4 Posted July 25, 2004 Report Share Posted July 25, 2004 Windy- i couldn't disagree more- Softy is done, cooked, finished. In the last 4 yrs there are dozens of Browsers out there all free which are better, faster and safer than Softys. Linux which is free chews away at Softy like a Pit Bull with a bone. So where is the Master of innovation the answer is no where- where are the new innovative products-answer zero! As far as the whole Net is concerned the only improvement has been speed as in chips but the improvement in speed can only be discerned by a small segment of users. Simply like the telephone the net is now a utility and sure a necessity but that is it baby it's over... Next??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 25, 2004 Report Share Posted July 25, 2004 Saturday 24th July 2004 : Why Were Bush and Rumsfeld AWOL on 9-11? Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld appeared to have effectively sat out one of the worst foreign assaults on the American homeland in the nation's history. In what may be one of the most remarkable statements in the report, the commission concludes that "the Secretary of Defense did not enter the chain of command until the morning's key events were over." Don Rumsfeld is known as a take-charge kind of guy. Why was he so uncharacteristically passive in the face of terrorists who were able to kill nearly 3,000 Americans in one morning? It is impossible to answer, and now that the commission has rolled up its report, there will be no forum for follow-up questions. But it is worth noting the ideological context: For years, the secretary had focused on what he considered to be America's most pressing national security need--and it wasn't fighting Al Qaeda. Even before the 2000 presidential election, Rumsfeld commissioned a "blueprint for maintaining global U.S. pre-eminence" along with his future deputy, Paul Wolfowitz, and future-Vice President Cheney, as well as President Bush's brother, Florida governor Jeb Bush. The plan shows that Bush intended to take military control of Persian Gulf oil, whether or not Saddam Hussein was in power, and intended to retain control of the region even if there was no threat. The report, written by the neo-conservative think tank Project for the New American Century, also advocated "regime change" in China, North Korea, Libya, Syria, and Iran. An unnamed British member of Parliament was quoted as saying of the report: "This is a blueprint for U.S. domination--a new world order of their making." The report also complained that the changes it recommended were likely to take a long time, "absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event-like a new Pearl Harbor." In the summer of 2001, when security agencies were regularly warning of a catastrophic attack by Al Qaeda, Defense Secretary Rumsfeld's office "sponsored a study of ancient empires-Macedonia, Rome, the Mongols-to figure out how they maintained dominance," according to the New York Times. http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=2073 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purdymouth Posted July 25, 2004 Report Share Posted July 25, 2004 Attention! Attention! I've been using Vonage (Internet telephone) as my primary phone service for a week now and I frickin' love it. Anybody else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian4 Posted July 25, 2004 Report Share Posted July 25, 2004 Some things tho are pardon the pun-Timeless. Our younger Son turned 35 on Saturday and carrying on a tradition I gave him his Grandpa's Rolex. Rolex has not changed their manufacturing process in 75 years- a watch for life carved from Gold and steel. For Sean it is bittersweet a watch for a lifetime and memories of his Grandpa-that is the way it should always be-Huh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 25, 2004 Report Share Posted July 25, 2004 Pawns in the game: American on trial for private "war on terror" claims Rumsfeld link KABUL : A US citizen in court charged with running a private "war on terror" in Afghanistan claimed he and two other Americans were working with the full knowledge of US Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld. Jonathan Idema, who denies charges he detained and tortured Afghan citizens without US government consent, said they were hunting terrorists under the auspices of the Pentagon and said they had since been abandoned by US authorities. "The American authorities absolutely condoned what we did, they absolutely supported what we did. We have extensive evidence of that," said Idema, who is on trial with his subordinates Brent Bennett and Edward Caraballo. Idema said that he had been running a counter-terrorism operation under deep cover for some months and had handed militants he had detained to US-led coalition forces for further questioning on several occasions. The group had emails, faxes and recordings to prove their links with senior US Defence Department officials, he added. "We were in contact directly by fax, and email and phone with Donald Rumsfeld's office, with the Deputy Secretary of Defence for Intelligence, and with Kevin Anderson, a four-star rank officer level at the Pentagon." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 25, 2004 Report Share Posted July 25, 2004 My lady embraced forex and today is the smartest forex trader i know. Do you speak of Lady Vivian, B4? I didn't realize she is also a trader, what a team! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
traderfromhell Posted July 25, 2004 Report Share Posted July 25, 2004 Plunger every guy I know who ever served told me the same thing. You can't break wind w/o permission from above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 25, 2004 Report Share Posted July 25, 2004 Perhaps it would be just as wise to stay here and look for good land with good water, pooling resources with others. Sometimes you're better off with the devil you know and making the best of it rather than striking out bravely for people and places unknown.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 25, 2004 Report Share Posted July 25, 2004 At 8.55, Mr Bush was still unaware of the hijackings. As he entered the Florida classroom, his adviser Karl Rove told him "a small twin-engine plane had crashed into the World Trade Centre". With one side of the Pentagon in flames, Mr Rumsfeld left his post to go to the parking lot, "to assist with rescue efforts". At 9.30, the Military Command Centre's deputy director told the senior officers: "An air attack against North America may be in progress." It was just before 10.30 that Mr Rumsfeld finally joined the emergency conference. Confusion reigned between the Pentagon and the White House in these first hours with officials running two different emergency responses. One witness said, "they were competing venues for command and control and decision making". On top of this, Mr Bush's line to Mr Cheney kept cutting out. Mr Cheney believed more hijacked aircraft were headed for Washington. About 10am, Mr Cheney and Mr Bush told the commission, Mr Bush gave the Vice-President the order to shoot down any hijacked aircraft. That command should have gone to Mr Rumsfeld and on to the military but Mr Bush had not been able to reach him. When Mr Bush finally did reach Mr Rumsfeld, he did not even tell him about the order, according to the report. At 10.03 the Pentagon learned that a fourth plane, United flight 93, was hijacked and headed towards Washington. At 10.39, Mr Cheney told Mr Rumsfeld he had issued the order to shoot down what he thought were three hijacked aircraft. Mr Rumsfeld sounded startled. Mr Cheney said "it's my understanding they've already taken a couple of aircraft out". The air force commanders did not get a shoot-down authorisation until 28 minutes after the crash. Had the passengers not acted, said the commissioners, there is a good chance the hijackers would have hit the White House or the Capitol. In a disturbing conclusion, the report found the civilian and military defences on September 11 were "unprepared for the attacks launched against them" and "failed to improvise an effective homeland defence against an unprecedented challenge". http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/07/...l?oneclick=true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterfield 8 Posted July 25, 2004 Report Share Posted July 25, 2004 Plunger - ps to your post from item on political forum. Norad rules changed in JUNE OF 2001 so that enemy aircraft could not be shot down without prior approval of Sec of Defense. - you know, the out-of-the-loop guy who could not be located all morning. it is the fishiest damn thing I have ever heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purdymouth Posted July 25, 2004 Report Share Posted July 25, 2004 Tell me more bedtime fairy tale stories, "9/11 Commision". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian4 Posted July 25, 2004 Report Share Posted July 25, 2004 Yes - Aussie bear she trades Forex and is Damn good at it. i don't go there because i am lousy at it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
depends Posted July 25, 2004 Report Share Posted July 25, 2004 Old Sol has been acting up. This graph may be indicating a lot of 'stuff' incoming. The blue graph should be mostly above 0. Uh oh. I hope the program is broke. http://pixie.spasci.com/DynMod/ This film shows solar activity. http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/data/LATEST...it_304small.mpg more here related material http://www.halfpasthuman.com/HPHUE_HAZARDS.ht found it here Strong stocks PLMO RIMM BDK QCOM FLIR SBUX PCL TDS or are they squeezed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiding Bear Posted July 25, 2004 Author Report Share Posted July 25, 2004 Butters - further to your question- the Fed can't cut rates, they have no room to, sure they can cut to zero, we are almost there now. Gold in my mind will follow what happened in 29. Gold stocks cratered with the market Homestake then the biggest was cut to about 3 bucks a share but in 1933 with terrible deflation it was trading for $144.- @ share. BS-re your question to Karen Blue up here in the true north our brokerage accounts are insured up to $100K per account by the Investment Dealers Association. One would think you have a similar mechanism down there?? If you hold anything other than Gold, NG or Oil stocks I would worry more about the value of the stocks in your account at the bottom. As to your stocks being in "street form" call your Broker and have them mail the certificates to you in your name and stuff them somewhere safe. One reason I play only the Spoo's and Cubes is they are liquid and with stops I can be in or out in a nano-second! Smart B4! Butters....When Roosevelt revalued Gold upward from $20/oz to $35/oz the effect was to lower the value of paper $$$$ whether tied to silver or nothing (paper and ink). This can very likely happen again....depreciating the paper and ink to extrodinary lows....you know...divide by 10 or maybe 100. It seems to me that the uncoventional measures AG keeps talking about mostly concern the hyperinflationary expansion of the monetary base and waiving normal requirements for check and money clearing. Just look what happened after 9/11. While deflation in real money (gold for example) will probably sweep through the US, most likely inflation will continue as the after effect of unconventional measures and dollar devaluation. Actual deflation will occur only with a breakdown of traditional money systems - which is possible by war or natural disaster but more likely after an extended period of economic downturn (think the bank holiday in 1932 three years after the market crash). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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