[Hiding Bear]

Welcome to another week of trading, humor, insights, served with political barbs and what-not at B4 the Bell! B4 has as its central theme short-term trading, lead by the astute technician Brain4. But it is also about what ever members think affects that - in a cordial atmosphere of a 24/7 international family lounge.




The ownership society -

In recent speeches, Bush has argued that a key to reducing economic insecurity is to allow average families to own their health insurance and retirement plans, rather than relying on employers or government programs to provide them.

With workers more likely to change jobs or careers than those of earlier generations, "one way to bring stability and security into a person's life is to encourage ownership," Bush has said.

But Kerry argues that the ideas Bush promotes as increasing ownership are really intended to shift the risks of retirement and healthcare from government and employers toward individuals. Kerry and other critics maintain that individuals can achieve greater economic security by remaining within collective programs meant to spread risk over a large pool of participants, such as employer-provided healthcare, Social Security and Medicare.

"Bush is offering a return to the pre-social insurance world in which people bore risk mostly on their own," said Theodore R. Marmor, a professor of public policy at the Yale University's School of Management. "Kerry … wants to preserve the spreading of risk in the name of stability."

This philosophical difference is clearest on healthcare and Social Security, the two issues in Bush's ownership agenda likely to provoke the sharpest clashes between the candidates in the weeks ahead.

http://www.latimes.c...=la-home-nation

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[Bag Holder]

Pictures of RNC protest in NYC:

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Political Stool

[thesun]

Bag Holder, on Aug 30 2004, 06:19 AM, said:

Pictures of RNC protest in NYC:

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Political Stool

Thanks you for thr pics.

It will be interesting what the re-elect the bushman forces will be doing to the different markets this week.

stock market
metal market
oil market

It would be nice if the market just say, " bye bye bushman "

At this time the markets have shifted to a bushman win, but only by a little.

[Calculus]

Bag Holder, on Aug 30 2004, 06:19 AM, said:

Pictures of RNC protest in NYC:

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Political Stool

I just wonder if all the protesters realise how quickly their 'personal files' are thickening down at 'Police State Headquarters'.

Phone tapping/email tapping/any other tapping must be one hell of a growth business these days.

Don't worry though folks, all of this is in the name of.............FREEDOM

[depends]

Just noticed a red bar from old sol. First in a while.
http://www.n3kl.org/sun/noaa.html

I have no idea if this will influence selling.

[BeerMarket]

huh?

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Bush also acknowledged in the interview that the administration did not anticipate the nature of the resistance in Iraq, and he said that was his greatest mistake in office. "Had we had to do it over again," he said, "we would look at the consequences of catastrophic success, being so successful so fast that an enemy that should have surrendered or been done in escaped and lived to fight another day."

[brian4]

Morning Crew- Do I know when to go away or what-- the 100 and 200 day m/a's on the Spoo converge aty 1111 can we get over that on a close?? Not bloody likely, today is also a full moon. I am shorting the open with Sept. SPT UB 1110 puts stop 1113. There is zero volume and everyone is on the call side, could get very messy, window 10 minutes in for 65 minutes, Helmets on, Buckle up.

[purdymouth]

BeerMarket, on Aug 30 2004, 09:22 AM, said:

huh?

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Bush also acknowledged in the interview that the administration did not anticipate the nature of the resistance in Iraq, and he said that was his greatest mistake in office. "Had we had to do it over again," he said, "we would look at the consequences of catastrophic success, being so successful so fast that an enemy that should have surrendered or been done in escaped and lived to fight another day."

http://story.news.ya...&u=/ap/cvn_bush

yeah, Shrubber is also "tempering" the terror talk by saying that an all out victory over terror may not be possible...

all this "more even tempered Bush" swill and sputum is total BS just in time for the election

charge with treason

[BeerMarket]

Plunger, on Aug 30 2004, 09:27 AM, said:

BeerMarket, on Aug 30 2004, 08:22 AM, said:

huh?

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Bush also acknowledged in the interview that the administration did not anticipate the nature of the resistance in Iraq, and he said that was his greatest mistake in office. "Had we had to do it over again," he said, "we would look at the consequences of catastrophic success, being so successful so fast that an enemy that should have surrendered or been done in escaped and lived to fight another day."

Baffoonage!

I can't say for certain, but it would appear that this is in fact the very first mistake that this man has admitted to since taking office.

Could there be a more collassal mistake?

"Catastrophic success" implies there IS A CATASTROPHY!

This will come back to bite him...big time.

i do remember recently he was asked specifically what his biggest mistake was and at the time he couldn't think of any.

nice open!

[soup]

what is holding the dow up?