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#1 Crouching Tiger

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Posted 21 January 2006 - 06:54 AM

I've put some charts together with some date projections for a low in General Stocks and highs on Oil, etc.

I am not an astrologer BTW, so those more experienced in Astro Finance are welcome to critique.

I've used mostly long term cycles to project into the future. These cycles are annotated on the charts and are fairly self-explanatory.

As you can see there are a lot of questions not answers or conclusions.

While 2000-2001 ushered in a top in the Dow and Nasdaq, does the war also ensure that so long as it continues there will not be a significant crash yet, just as the Gulf War ensured the stock market moved up into 2000? Does the Nasdaq crash mirror the 1929 crash of the Dow Jones? It certainly looks that way. Is this why we hear the phrase 'perpetual war on terror', an attempt to keep the game going?

In a normal bear and bull market the Dow moves up generally 20 years and down 15 (during the 15 years oil, gold, commodities are in a bull).

If you look at the parabolic rise of the Dow into 2000 one has to ask if there is not a larger cycle at work here - perhaps a 500 year cycle. Are we witnessing epic events? Has the 500 year down cycle (which appears to have turned up) in gold ushered in a 500 year down cycle in Stock Markets and the ultimate crash in World Wide currencies? If the previous long cycle top in Gold was in 1480 was the 1980 top (500 years later) the warning shot across the bow that Gold would re-emerge from its slumber 20 years later?

I submit the answer to all these questions will be when Gold cracks through $570 and surpasses $600.

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Posted 21 January 2006 - 01:38 PM

Cycles and Gann anniversary dates are interesting. Three important dates for the broad market this past week. The 1966 2000 and 2006 high dates. After the 1966 high the market went into a protracted trading range from 570-1000 for 16 years before finally bottoming on August 12 1982. The 2000 high marked THE all time high for the index. Did we just witness the anticipated rally failure high this week? 40 years was viewed by Gann as a very important number. I won't go into the biblcal reference but you can figure it out.
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Posted 21 January 2006 - 02:54 PM

TFH, I tend to agree that the top was 2000. My collection of correlations to tops is far from complete, IOW comparing Oil's bull market dates with previous crashes does not add up, (and of course we can't look at 500 year cycles in Oil - :lol: ) and that's why I think much longer cycles are involved.

My weak understanding of large 500 year cycles is that there is a 20 year transition period, and also that there is larger cycle ending of magnitude far greater than 500 years (though I don't have the details on hand). Gold's 500 year cycle does point to a grand top in the Dow in 2000, with the real top probably in the 1980's, but I believe because of even longer cycles the 20 years comes into play (grand blow-off into 2000).

Monthly chart of INDU looks like it's in suspended animation with the only thing buttressing it being the War.


Cycles and Gann anniversary dates are interesting. Three important dates for the broad market this past week. The 1966 2000 and 2006 high dates. After the 1966 high the market went into a protracted trading range from 570-1000 for 16 years before finally bottoming on August 12 1982. The 2000 high marked THE all time high for the index. Did we just witness the anticipated rally failure high this week? 40 years was viewed by Gann as a very important number. I won't go into the biblcal reference but you can figure it out.

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Posted 22 January 2006 - 12:40 PM

so far, to my mind anyway, the current bull run in gold is a carbon copy of the gold move of the 70s. and i also think the same holds true for the broads. i dont think they get cut in 1/2 @this 4yr cycle low, but the next one in 2010. it seems the markets are always repeating the past, w/slight modifications. i think that is why it is necessary to study charts and market history. without going further into it, what really bothers me is the loss of freedoms and rights, it is afterall what made the usa great.
i am focused, at this point, on gold/oil. and from an astrological point of view(vedic astrology) the dominant influence through 2007 is jupiter, this is the planet of expansion, wealth, exaggeration etc. i do think these next 2 years will be explosive. Butt, there will also be corrections. Gann had many eye opening techniques. anniversary dates are powerful magnates as are cycles.
i realize friday was a big day in the broads. i can still see the possibility for further upside. its why i am not focused there just yet. dharma

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Posted 23 January 2006 - 03:42 AM

dharma, I don't think it's a carbon copy of the 70's. On a chart it may look like it, act like it, etc. etc., but the outcome will be different significantly. Larger cycles are at work here.

Although Pretcher has been wrong on trying to nail dates (perhaps trying to nail dates when viewing decade long charts is like looking for a needle in a haystack and that's where mega Longterm charts should be considered against medium and short term charts), I think his Grand Supercycle charts need to be considered. All cycles need to be considered not just a few, otherwise you can miss the big picture. BTW when I look at a chart I always look at the Monthly Long Term chart first.

If you look at the longterm inflation adjusted price of gold it displays the classic signs of putting in a 500 year bottom. That spike in the 1980's is a classic sign as I refer to 'the shot across the bow' that gold would bottom into 2000.

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Posted 24 January 2006 - 01:41 PM

From what I can garner reading Prechter he believes the inflation hedges made major highs during the '70s early 1980. I don't think he's looking for higher prices but perhaps higher purchasing power.
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Posted 24 January 2006 - 04:53 PM

I should have qualified in reference to Grand Supercycle (Pretcher) is in respect to the Stock Market prices of general stocks.

In order to have higher purchasing power you would need fewer dollars as opposed to more dollars. In fact, it can be argued that Americans already have enjoyed higher purchasing power by importing inflation to the rest of the World and that this privilege might end.

The Euro currency was no fluke - like somebody said hey why don't we have our own currency - it must have been well thought out - probably in anticipation of the demise of the US reserve currency status and could be argued that it was created to usurp the usd.

If the Euro did not exsit, Iran's Oil Bourse would not carry the significance it does today! Is this just a coincidence - I don't think so. In fact in the Oil run up in the 70s the Mid-east Nations considered transacting oil for other than usd. So it has been bandied about. Arguably why shouldn't the Mid-East, the largest producers of Oil not have their own Oil Bourse? For Europeans it is to their advantage to buy Oil with Euros. China, Russia and India have vested interests in Iran and it is my assumption that they will not sit and watch Iran be bombed, watching their Oil deals, Uranium deals blow up in smoke. Iran holds a trump card, they have important friends, huge oil reserves, control the Strait of Hormuz and can stop export of Oil coming out of the area, they have a good military. If US can't get Iraq under control how do they think they'll control Iran? Well in all likelihood Israel might get into the act this time. Israel has no oil you know.

It's been okay for Israel, Pakistan, India, (the list goes on) to build nuclear plants, but not Iran! Reason - Iran wants to open Oil Bourse on March 20th and challenge usd reserve status. Point blank!

I understand Europe along with others got shanked by US because US retroactively retracted the Oil for Euros deal with Iraq, so don't know exact details but looks like it cost Europe dearly. Gaining more friends abroad and showing who's boss.

Now, if the US backs down I think we can expect Oil is really going to come back to earth. $WTIC looks psycho with all those gaps.

Between England and US the oil exchanges are controlled, that is why England has not joined the Euro as they are in cooperation with the US and from what I read the US owns the London Oil Exchange so to speak.

Commodity prices are demonstrating more dollars chasing fewer goods. In order for his deflation scenario to occur, I believe a significant crash in general stocks, repudiation of the dollar and new dollars issued. ie 10 for 1 or 50 for 1, etc. needs to occur first. Those lucky enough to have at least kept their money through all this would have higher purchasing power.

War is inflationary destroying natural resources so it is a precursor to higher commodity prices because commodities get destroyed or blocked off, and consumed more during War.

As cycles go we are looking at a high War Cycle.

Now the question is when does inflationary cycle peak? When does Pretcher's overshoot of Gold price (within his bear market and ultimate $200 price) become negated? I would say a successful break of $570 and $600 pricewise. Chart indicators for Gold's run are 3 X's stronger than in 1996. To me this indicates this is not a Pretcher overshoot.

Further if we are in a 500 cycle we could be looking at a paper top and gold bottom occuring in 2000. This is ominous and a worse case scenario but possible. To me this would indicate a huge run up in commodities (potential hyperinflation) and ultimate stock market meltdown. I do not expect this meltdown to occur until the Wars end. As in previous charts above, this date is somewhere in the next decade.

K-wave's have been negated, perhaps because people now live 20 years longer (if that's the case top was 2000)? or there's other longer cycles at work? My understanding of 500 year cycles is that a top can form over a longer period time and that there is a transition time of 20 years (enough time for smart people to re-allocate their investments). So once again this projects out into the next decade.

Of course, 500 years cyles is hypothetical, but in my opinion builds reason to expect unusual events to occur in the next 10 years.

From what I can garner reading Prechter he believes the inflation hedges made major highs during the '70s early 1980. I don't think he's looking for higher prices but perhaps higher purchasing power.

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Posted 24 January 2006 - 05:06 PM

Hypothetical parts are conjecture about long cycles. The rest is facts.
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Posted 27 January 2006 - 02:33 AM

Did a little research tonite - we are in a period of a Grand Cross ... November 2005 to January 2006, Jupiter moves into a square with Neptune, on January 27. However, the Saturn Neptune opposition doesn't become exact until August, 2006. Grand Crosses are ominous and from the charts above, you can see they did mark periods before a significant market decline in the 1999 to 2001 timeframe. There is also something in the Grand Cross indicating that the bird flu should be taken seriously.

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Posted 01 February 2006 - 05:41 PM

The Big Aspects Ahead


Saturn qunincunx Uranus (2/3) on January 19, 2006. Tech wreck, but can be selective as to which shares are impacted (INTC versus AMD).

Jupiter square Neptune (2/3) on March 15, 2006. Jupiter is opposed by Mars and Neptune is squared by Mars. Too much optimism. A set up for disappointment. A peak in housing????

Jupiter trine Uranus (2/3) on May 4, 2006. Positive and speculative.

Jupiter square Saturn (2/3) on June 22, 2006. This is stress between expansion and contraction and can represent a good low to buy. A strong rally can ensue after the exact date as the tension is released.

Saturn qunincunx Uranus(3/3) July 31, 2006.

Saturn trine Pluto (1/1) on August 6, 2006.

Jupiter trine Uranus (3/3) on August 29, 2006.

Saturn oppose Neptune (1/3) on August 31, 2006. Crushed dreams. The housing market begins to unravel?

Jupiter square Neptune (2/3) on September 24, 2006

Jupiter square Saturn (3/3) on October 25, 2006.

Jupiter square Uranus (1/3) on January 22, 2007.Highly speculative.

Saturn oppose Neptune (2/3) on February 28, 2007.

Jupiter trine Saturn (1/5) on March 16, 2007.A trine is a soft aspect and this is more harmanious. Usually positive business conditions with inflation contained.

Jupiter trine Saturn (2/5) on May 6, 2007.

Jupiter square Uranus (2/3) on May 10, 2007.

Saturn oppose Neptune (3/3) on June 25, 2007.

Jupiter square Uranus (3/3) on October 9, 2007. The top of the retrace from the 2003 lows???? There may be enough momentum to run into 2008 just as the momentum from Jupiter oppose Uranus in August 2003 lasted into 2004.

Jupiter trine Saturn (3/5)on January 21, 2008

Jupiter trine Saturn (4/5) on September 8, 2008

Jupiter trine Saturn (6/5) on November 21, 2008

Saturn oppose Uranus 2008 - 2011. Saturn, Uranus, Pluto T-squares according to Merriman. This is potentially a major bear phase.
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Posted 01 February 2006 - 05:44 PM

Three passes of Jupiter square uranus in 2007 will provide a speculative peak that may well extend into the negative astro beyond (2008) on sheer momentum. In August 2003 one pass of Jupiter oppose Uranus acted like a magnet for price and the mementum lasted into early 2004.
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Posted 01 February 2006 - 06:17 PM

anotherone, thanks for all those great dates!

Eclipses: March 14 and 29, 2006

I have a Taurus New Moon April 27, 2006
Sagittarius Full Moon June 11, 2006
Jupiter in its own sign Sagittarius starting November 24, 2006.
New Moon of Dec. 20, 2006 features a 6 planet lineup in Sagittarius

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Posted 04 February 2006 - 03:07 PM

I have nothing to contribute other than to say THANK YOU for sharing your thoughts and continuing this thread. I find Astros, Cycles and Gann fascinating !

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Posted 05 February 2006 - 12:46 PM

Thanks Hadjin, always good to get some positive feedback!

Did a little more research on the Galactic Center (pm center containing nucleus of precious metals in Milky Way). Jupiter rules Gold and is strongest in its own sign Sagittarius. Now the Galactic Centre is located at 27 degrees Sagittarius.

Pluto (oil) and Jupiter (gold) approach the Galactic Center on various dates: December 19-30, 2006, July 15, 2007, September 24, 2007 (Jupiter exact conjuncton Pluto in GC), October 28, 2007, October 20, 2010 and Dec. 18-21, 2012. Now I'm throwing in numerous dates here that are conjunctions and stations as pivots.

I also have a Pluto station March 29, 2006, September 7, 2007.

Now between 1980 - 2012 all 3 largest planets Uranus, Jupiter and Pluto transit the Galactic Center. Now the last time this occurred was 1485-1515, 500 years ago.

Precession Alignment is when Solstice Sun coincides with the Milky Way on December 21, 2012. The noonday Sun (Sun's eliptic) exactly conjuncts with the Galactic Plane (the exact center of the Galaxy), so the crossing point of Sun's eliptic with the Galactic Plane is at the exact center of the Galaxy. Now this is occuring at the end of 2 very long term cycles marking the precession and movement into another sign.

I have nothing to contribute other than to say THANK YOU for sharing your thoughts and continuing this thread.  I find Astros, Cycles and Gann fascinating !

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Posted 08 February 2006 - 06:45 PM

Regarding gold sensitivity to the Galatic Center, the following is from Robert Hitt's December post. Gold did have a good drop on that day.

Dec 20th the Sun will pass over the galactic center at 28-29 sag.. This is a heads up day for gold since it seems sensitive to moves over the galactic center.. Lots of profits in gold that could be taken in the new year. Exactly 7 years until 12/21/2012 also..


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