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#91 Lock Limit Down

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Posted 19 October 2004 - 11:14 AM

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"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them (around the banks), will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered." --- Thomas Jefferson

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Posted 19 October 2004 - 11:16 AM

.HMO down 9%

tainted with the Spitzer brush

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Posted 19 October 2004 - 11:17 AM

everybody all warm and comfortable hiding in ibm?
""Pretty bubbleheads preen daily on our financial networks, playing the shill to Wall Street and Washington in order to lure unsuspecting Americans into buying insanely overvalued stocks. The great market exchanges, once prudent arenas of investment where the engine of capitalism traded value for value, have become sham casinos staggering under decades of massive Fed created debt and lurching into oblivion on the greater fool theory. Yet our high level bureaucrats, led by Alan Greenspan, exhort all Americans to consume still more of their seed corn and seek still more fools." N. Hultberg

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Posted 19 October 2004 - 11:17 AM

JPM -3%

one by on ethe big derivative players are being shot.

This is a big change
1) Counterparty risk ratings are dependent on capital base (MMC split 2:1 in a most unfortunate way, AIG has taken a severe beating)
2) Insurance companies are the buyers of last resort in the corp bond market (one of the primary reasons corporate spreads are so tight)
3) One of the reasons stocks have been well bid is because of corporate spreads. We are starting to see spreads widen in insurance, car makers and select financials with large derivative exposure.

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Posted 19 October 2004 - 11:17 AM

Anyone with news on the plane crash in Atlanta?

...A declining spenglerian carnival of Colossaalism united with Inflation where the numbers one through 10 are forever banished as worthless arithmetical detritus from a bygone age... - Beardrech

Naturally we believe the govt numbers... and Boobus Americanus sleepwalks off the edge of the energy-crisis cliff clutching his shares of "Crisco", Yoohoo and GooGah munching on his Yum Yums and Ho Hos. Future historians will have a hell of a time figuring out what the hell Americanus neanderthalus was thinking and exactly what brought on his sudden demise... - Henny Penny

Well, good night everyone. I gotta go lube up for tomorrow's regular end-of-week Gold Slapdown and Stock Index Bear Punishment Rally Weekend Greenprint. ...Probably another Shock-and-Awe Gap-Up-Open and Wire-to-Wire Meltup Runaway Bull Charge Mo-Mo Spike to Fresh New All-Time Lifetime Highs, culminating in a 4:15 yelping scalded dog runoff with panic short-covering and legal not-held bad double fills due to fast market conditions, plus quote system freeze-ups and trading platform lock-outs along the way. *yawn* typical gov't Friday. - Shorty


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Posted 19 October 2004 - 11:19 AM

stop 1116 ;)

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Posted 19 October 2004 - 11:22 AM

Since insurance companies are some of the largest equity holders in the world, it may be that this thing will begin to feed on itself, as many raise capital to cover class action lawsuits. If Spitzer is in the process of uncovering practices that are common throughout the insurance industry, LOB.

I wonder if even Buffet will be implicated.

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Posted 19 October 2004 - 11:24 AM

The Fed, which is made up of large private international financial institutions, would have to monetize the difference.

Why should they do it? They didn't do it in the 30's.

"Liquidate Everything" was their motto.

That's certainly the crux of the matter.

What MAY HAVE changed is that the 'private financial institutions' feel they can manage in an inflationary environment ... whereas deflation means their assets get wiped out, or nationalized, or both.

If I were a bankster, I know which scenario I'd choose ... ;)
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Posted 19 October 2004 - 11:24 AM

Anyone with news on the plane crash in Atlanta?

haven't seen anything, but I'm confident it's not terrorism.

edit: here it is:
small plane crashes in dt atlanta

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Posted 19 October 2004 - 11:26 AM

Rog: Yep. I used to cover some insurance companies. They would buy the wierdest crap at the tightest spreads. Man o man I bet the street is really pissed at Spitzer.
""Pretty bubbleheads preen daily on our financial networks, playing the shill to Wall Street and Washington in order to lure unsuspecting Americans into buying insanely overvalued stocks. The great market exchanges, once prudent arenas of investment where the engine of capitalism traded value for value, have become sham casinos staggering under decades of massive Fed created debt and lurching into oblivion on the greater fool theory. Yet our high level bureaucrats, led by Alan Greenspan, exhort all Americans to consume still more of their seed corn and seek still more fools." N. Hultberg

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Posted 19 October 2004 - 11:26 AM

Anyone with news on the plane crash in Atlanta?

haven't seen anything, but I'm confident it's not terrorism

small plane headed for Venice Florida in bad weather crashed near commercial building.

looks like an unfortunate accident

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Posted 19 October 2004 - 11:27 AM

JPM -3%

one by on ethe big derivative players are being shot.

This is a big change
1) Counterparty risk ratings are dependent on capital base (MMC split 2:1 in a most unfortunate way, AIG has taken a severe beating)
2) Insurance companies are the buyers of last resort in the corp bond market (one of the primary reasons corporate spreads are so tight)
3) One of the reasons stocks have been well bid is because of corporate spreads. We are starting to see spreads widen in insurance, car makers and select financials with large derivative exposure.

Uh huh ...

Sounds like the first steps in one plausible scenario for an 'unwinding' of deRIBITives™ -- (so called because they're denominated in 'green frogskins' ... a/k/a dollahs).
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Posted 19 October 2004 - 11:29 AM

Rog: Yep. I used to cover some insurance companies. They would buy the wierdest crap at the tightest spreads. Man o man I bet the street is really pissed at Spitzer.

Dead Man Walkin'

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Posted 19 October 2004 - 11:29 AM

Window is closing it was the reversal we wanted, the Pig limps on alone for awhile as long as it stays where it is we are OK. They will try and take it back up with the pressure off but I say-Good Luck wit dat!

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Posted 19 October 2004 - 11:31 AM

Anyone with news on the plane crash in Atlanta?

haven't seen anything, but I'm confident it's not terrorism

small plane headed for Venice Florida in bad weather crashed near commercial building.

looks like an unfortunate accident

Don't forget Venice was where the 'magic Dutchman' Rudy Dekkers and his flying skool were based ... :o
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