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#541 K Wave Rider

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Posted 10 October 2004 - 07:28 PM

Bud, Homes should be the antithesis of the machine, not embrace sharp angles, hygiene, smooth surfaces and inorganic nature. There is a reason there has been such a reaction against this style and Fokker summed it up. It's about empty space and discreet units. Perfect for a zenmaster, but pretty alienating for the average Westerner who's already becoming a part of the machinery at work. Architecture under the internationalists became a sort of tyranny of artlessness, fit for dental hygenists and the anal compulsive but woefully inadequate for those more sensuous than the average toaster.

Le Corbusier proclaimed houses machines for living. Frank Lloyd Wright used to name houseflies in his studio after the Bauhaus architects and then nail them with fly-swatters. He had it right.

To proclaim that something is artless because it does not express handcraftsmanship, natural expressions of materials and organic expressions of space is limiting oneself to a tyranny of ignorance and prejudice. You seem to be missing, as most Americans do, the very definition of ART.
Sensuality is in the eye of the beholder. And a "home" is the life that people bring to a dwelling.

Corbusier's "machine for resting" chaise lounge. Pure sensuality.....

I'm with Thread on this one..cold, cold, cold...fine for the office (not mine), but not a home..oh well, different strokes for different folks..thank god for that or there would be no markets for us to discuss here on the Stool every day :lol:

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Posted 10 October 2004 - 07:30 PM

Need to post this again, I feel.

Finally got to Washington in the middle of the night
I couldn't wait
I headed straight for the Capitol Mall
My heart began to pound
Yahoo! It really exists
The American International Pictures logo

I looked up at that Capitol Building
Couldn't help but wonder why
I felt like saying "Hello, old friend"

Walked up the hill to touch it
Then I unzipped my pants
And pissed on it when nobody was looking

Like a great eternal Klansman
With his two flashing red eyes
Turn around he's always watching
The Washington Monument pricks the sky
With flags like pubic hair ringed 'round the bottom

The symbols of our heritage
Lit up proudly in the night
Somehow fits to see the homeless people
Passed out on the lawn

So this is where it happens
The power games and bribes
All lobbying for a piece of ass

Of the stars and stripes of corruption

Makes me feel so ashamed
To be an American
When we're too stuck up to learn from our mistakes
Trying to start another Viet Nam
Whilke fiddling while Rome burns at home
The Boss says, "You're laid off, blame the Japanese"
"America's back," alright
At the game it plays the worst
Strip mining the world like a slave plantation

No wonder others hate us
And the Hitlers we handpick
To bleed their people dry
For our evil empire

The drug we're fed
To make us like it
Is God and country with a band?

People we know who should know better
Howl, "America riles. Let's go to war!"
Business scams are what's worth dying for

Are the Soviets our worst enemy?
We're destroying ourselves instead
Who cares about our civil rights
As long as I get paid?

The blind Me-Generation
Doesn't care if life's a lie

So easily used, so proud to enforce
The stars and stripes of corruption

Let's bring it all down!
Let's bring it all down!
Let's bring it all down!

Tell me who's the real patriots
The Archie Bunker slobs waving flags?
Or the people with the guts to work
For some real change

Rednecks and bombs don't make us strong
We loot the world
Yet we can't even feed ourselves
Our real test of strength is caring
Not the toys of war we sell the world
Just carry on, thankful to be farmed like worms
Old glory for a blanket
As you suck on your thumbs

Real freedom scares you
'Cause it means responsibility

So you chicken out and threaten me

Saying, "Love it or leave it"
I'll get beat up if I criticize it
You say you'll fight to the death
To save your useless flag

If you want a banana republic that bad
Why don't you go move to one

But what can just one of us do?
Against all that money and power
Trying to crush us into roaches?

We won't destroy society in a day
Until we change ourselves first
From the inside out

We can start by not lying so much
And treating other people like dirt
It's easy not to base our lives
On how much we can scam

You know it feels good to lift that monkey off our backs

I'm thankful I live in a place
Where I can say the things I do
Without being taken out and shot
So I'm on guard against the goons
Trying to take my rights away
We've got to rise above the need for cops and laws

Let kids learn communication
Instead of schools pushing competition
How about more art and theaters instead of sports?

People will always do drugs
Let's legalize them
Crime drops when the mob can't price them
Budget's in the red?
Let's tax religion

No one will do it for us
We'll just have to fix ourselves
Honesty ain't all that hard
Just put Rambo back inside your pants
Causing trouble for the system is much more fun

Thanks for the toilet paper
Your flag is meaningless to me
Look around, we're all people
Who needs countries anyway?

Our land, I love it too
I think I love it more than you
I care enough to fight

The stars and stripes of corruption

Let's bring it all down!
If we don't try
If we just lie
If we can't find
A way to do it better than this
Who will?
NONE of what I type, should be taken as financial advice.

And when you loose control, you'll reap the harvest that you've sown
And as the fear grows, the bad blood slows and turns to stone
And it's too late to loose the weight you used to need to throw around
So have a good drown, as you go down, alone
Dragged down by the stone.


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Posted 10 October 2004 - 07:31 PM

I resent your asking Doc for proof. We are here primarily
for Doc's excellent and detailed market reports.

Go find the facts yourself - all you are putting forth are
opinions - and not very convincing ones at that.

I am of the view that the two party system is
insane crap as for years we have been voting for
the two failed parties over and over, so I will not
defend either bush or kerry as all I see are
two bonesman who will not defend the constitution.

Doc can defend himself, of course, but please don't
come here and represent yourself as a 'patriot' and
try to get anyones goat. Here, everyone brings something
to the party, not try to break it up.

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Posted 10 October 2004 - 07:35 PM

Gasoline prices:

I have just returned from a short trip up the Calif. coast and back down the back side (east side) of the Sierra Mountains - great trip! (Well, actually I went 2,106 miles.)

Here is what I paid for gasoline. I always find the lowest price gas, and try to plan ahead to where I think I will find low priced gas so as not to pay the higher prices in small towns or isolated locations in between.

$1.91 Lake Havasu City. The price has just gone up from $1.87.

$2.23 Ontario. This is between L.A. and San Bernardino on Interstate 10. Since Calif. has cleaner burning fuel requirements than Arizona, it costs more to refine.

$2.23 San Luis Obispo. North of L.A. on highway 1, near Hearst's Castle, San Simeon.

$2.15 Santa Cruz. This is a tourist location, bedroom community for San Jose area, and a truck farming area (lettuce, carrots, brussel sprouts, broccoli, strawberrys, etc.).

$2.19 Fort Bragg. This is an isolated tourist town on the ocean north of San Francisco. The large lumber mill which made the town is now closed for some time.

$2.15 Sacramento. In the central valley on Interstate 80 halfway between S.F. and Reno. I have watched Sacramento's economy be dominated by Aerojet building rockets in the 50's and 60's (now a small operation) to military in the 70's and 80's with Mather and McClellan Air Force Bases and Sac. Army Depot (all gone) and now satellite operations of Silicon Valley high tech firms with Intel, H.P., Apple, NEC, and others in the area (when a person from the Bay Area is assigned to these facilities, they tell their co-workers they got Sac'd). There is a lot of government there, too, as Sacramento is the state capitol.

$2.15 Minden Nevada. This is on the back side of the Sierra's about an hour south of Reno. At South Lake Tahoe the price was $2.49, so glad I popped over the hill. Also, all the way down the back side on Rte 395 (tourist towns) gas was $2.49 until I reached the 395 / 58 junction (Kremmers Junction). 323 miles on that leg.

$2.15 Kremmers Junction. North of San Bernardino on Rte 395, and 40 miles west of Barstow. This is desert and not far from Edwards Air Force Base where the Space Shuttle has landed, and not far from Mojave where Space Ship One now operates from.

From there it was 177 miles to Needles Calif. on the Calif / Arizona border, and another 40 miles down here to Lake Havasu City, hard desert the whole way.

So there you have it, and now that I look at it, I don't know why gas was so high priced near the L.A. area. Seems like it should have been less.

Also, once I got to San Bernardino the air really started getting foul, so that by the time I got just north of L.A. it was so thick you could cut it with a knife. Why people chose to live there is beyond me. When I got northeast, to Ventura, the air cleared as the wind was blowing off the ocean.

As an aside, I stayed in motels paying from $45 to $65 per night, and found the beds all too firm for my old body. Miss my RV, Yobob. Gonna get me a woman and an RV. :lol: I rented an RV in Alaska once, and that worked out very well.

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Posted 10 October 2004 - 07:37 PM

BudFox.......i'm about on same page as you. Minimalism inspires me.

A simple bowl and plate are pure functions........hard to improve upon
them............why do people even try?

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Posted 10 October 2004 - 07:40 PM

Any of youse guys see the SF/PHX game (still on). . .
SF just tied the score with a 2-point conversion.
The SF receiver got away with a push-off for the score.
The TV Color Guy said "He wanted it more than the defender. . .if you're not cheatin' in that situation you don't want to win".

This is the essence of what is wrong with Pro sports (all of them) these days (if not always, from the beginning of Big Time Sports).

This is what is wrong with politics, too. And Big Business. And organized religion. And what has become the "American" way of doing things.

In a nationalistic sense, it becomes a kerry-like morass to explain how it is better to lose honestly than to win by cheating -- but the reverse is also a sticky point.

Enron, Worldcom, AA, etc, all believed that Cheating only happens when you actually get caught at it, and that it is an essential component to "success", "winning".

Professional Politicians, as we have seen in our free-and-open, no-hold-barred dialog this weekend, feel the same way. . ."spinning" is not lying, poaching votes is not cheating, on-and-on-and-on, in pursuit of ideological goals that overwhelm the principles that get lipservice. :cry:

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Posted 10 October 2004 - 07:42 PM

On this Bauhaus thing, I obviously prefer some "fur" and "feathers" to my nest. But that's an aesthetic preference based on my own experience. What's entirely inspirational is to be among such a fine group as this, to be able to discuss and debate with individuals who have studied, thought and reflected. The rest are just deets, really.

...A declining spenglerian carnival of Colossaalism united with Inflation where the numbers one through 10 are forever banished as worthless arithmetical detritus from a bygone age... - Beardrech

Naturally we believe the govt numbers... and Boobus Americanus sleepwalks off the edge of the energy-crisis cliff clutching his shares of "Crisco", Yoohoo and GooGah munching on his Yum Yums and Ho Hos. Future historians will have a hell of a time figuring out what the hell Americanus neanderthalus was thinking and exactly what brought on his sudden demise... - Henny Penny

Well, good night everyone. I gotta go lube up for tomorrow's regular end-of-week Gold Slapdown and Stock Index Bear Punishment Rally Weekend Greenprint. ...Probably another Shock-and-Awe Gap-Up-Open and Wire-to-Wire Meltup Runaway Bull Charge Mo-Mo Spike to Fresh New All-Time Lifetime Highs, culminating in a 4:15 yelping scalded dog runoff with panic short-covering and legal not-held bad double fills due to fast market conditions, plus quote system freeze-ups and trading platform lock-outs along the way. *yawn* typical gov't Friday. - Shorty

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Posted 10 October 2004 - 07:49 PM

Gasoline prices:

For the record,

$2.59 in SF

$2.30 in Marin

this past week.
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Posted 10 October 2004 - 07:50 PM

Bud,Le Corbusier's lounge is a perfect study of fascism rendered in furnishing. It doesn't invite the weary Nazi to set a spell, but rather demands it. If houses are machines for living, fit for dental hygienist dominatrixes-- this is the perfect dentist's chair. :wink2: :grin:

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Posted 10 October 2004 - 07:51 PM

A short technical review of the three popular averages.

The COMPQ is now trading below its 200 day moving average in the yearly chart, after touching a Bollinger Band high of 1969. The %K line stochastic peaked and is dropping. The combination of the two technical indicators suggests the COMPQ has some down time coming up over the intermediate term. All we need now is for the 3 day moving average to fall below the 18 day moving average for confirmation. (The 3 and 18 day moving average crossover is one of the short term signals I use.) Support on this down move for the COMPQ may be seen at about the 1852 area, if 1900 breaks over the shorter term.

The S&P 500 index is trading at its 200 day moving average in the yearly chart. It touched its Bollinger Band top of 1442 late last week and began dropping. With a falling stochastic and CCI, the index is likely to continue its downward trend for at least a few more days. Support may be seen around the 1110 and 1102 areas over the near term. Until the MACD drops below 0, the up trend that began in August remains, even if the chart breaks the 1110 level.

Looking at the Dow Jones Industrial Averages, we could see a bounce higher from the strong supported level of 10,000 when reached which should be early in the week, unless we have an extraordinarily bad news situation develop. Lower Bollinger Band support is at 9975 and may also be seen sometime soon over the next week or two. On a cautionary note the Dow’s 3 day moving average is below its 18 day moving average. This hints that downside pressure may continue for a minimum of at least a few days. The MACD line is now blow 0, suggesting the downtrend began in Feb. will keep the Dow Industrials moving lower over the longer term. It may see the 9800 level before a significant rebound develops.

Astro-Aspects are detailed per day for the week upcoming
also in this link................interesting stuff


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Posted 10 October 2004 - 08:17 PM

This is Yuri.......Russian Traders take,......on weekly SPX
..........always a good read.


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Posted 10 October 2004 - 08:18 PM

Monday, October 11, 2004
  ET/GMT                                                    Expected  Previous
0800/1200          Tsy Secy Snow to speak at
                   Mansfield-Richland Area Chamber of
                   Commerce in Mansfield, Ohio
1200/1600          Tsy Secy Snow to speak at Lima Rotary
                   Club luncheon in Lima, Ohio
1345/1745          Tsy Secy Snow to speak at Ohio Northern
                   University in Ada, Ohio
   N/A             Columbus Day; Govt Offices, Bond Market

Tuesday, October 12, 2004
  ET/GMT                                                    Expected  Previous
0745/1145  Oct 9   ICSC/UBS Chain Store Sales                         +0.3%
0855/1255  Oct 9   Redbook Retail Sales                               +0.7%
1000/1400  Sept    Richmond Fed Manufacturing Index                   +18
1100/1500  Sept    Kansas City Fed Manufacturing Index                +15
1200/1600  Aug     Chicago Fed Manufacturing Index                    -0.6%
1200/1600          Tsy Secy Snow to speak at City Club of
                   Cleveland in Cleveland, Ohio
1330/1730          Tsy Secy Snow to tour Cuyahoga
                   Community College Corporate College in
                   Westlake, Ohio
1830/2230  Oct 9   ABC/Money Magazine Consumer Confidence             -12

Wednesday, October 13, 2004
  ET/GMT                                                    Expected  Previous
0700/1100  Oct 9   MBA Refinancing Index                              +2.7%
2100/0100          Pres Bush and Sen Kerry debate in
                   Tempe, Ariz.

Thursday, October 14, 2004
  ET/GMT                                                    Expected  Previous
0830/1230  Oct 9   Initial Jobless Claims                             -37K
0830/1230  Sep     Import Prices                                      +1.7%
0830/1230  Aug     Intl Trade Balance                                 -$50.15B
0900/1300          Fed Gov Bernanke speaks at
                   "International Monetary Reform and
                   Capital Freedom" conference in
1000/1400  Oct 2   DJ-BTM Business Barometer                          +0.3%
1630/2030          Money Supply

Friday, October 15, 2004
  ET/GMT                                                    Expected  Previous
0830/1230  Sept    PPI                                                -0.1%
0830/1230  Sept    PPI, ex-food and energy                            -0.1%
0830/1230  Sept    Retail & Food Sales                                -0.3%
0830/1230  Sept    Retail & Food Sales, Ex-autos                      +0.2%
0830/1230  Oct     Empire State Mfg Index                             28.34
0915/1315  Sept    Indus Production                                   +0.1%
0915/1315  Sept    Capacity Utilization                               77.3%
0945/1345  Oct     Preliminary Univ of Michigan Sentiment             94.2
1000/1400  Aug     Business Inventories                               +0.9%
1200/1600          Fed Chmn Greenspan to speak on oil at
                   Natl Italian-American Foundation in

Dow Jones Newswires

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Posted 10 October 2004 - 08:18 PM

Strange stuff on Gas, I filled up today for the equivalent of $1.87 a gallon in U.S. $'s at @ per litre price of 81.9 cents Canadian minus my 3.5 cents discount for using my gas card. Every Oil Company is offering at least a 3 cent a litre discount to maintain market share. Now our big Oil Companies are not philanthropists by any stretch but Gas here is now cheaper than or depending where you live the same as in the U.S.. Methinks the rising Loonie is part of it but the thought crosses my mind that big Oil is socking it to the American Consumer. Here the crazed desire to maintain market share is thru competition holding the price down but THAT is not happening in the U.S.! ;)

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Posted 10 October 2004 - 08:23 PM

Patriot - I don't know why you are doing this. yes, you are indeed baiting this board. before you tell us again how you would like to control the functions of my uterus, I'll just exercise my "freedom" to tell you it is none of your damn business.

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Posted 10 October 2004 - 08:28 PM

Bud,Le Corbusier's lounge is a perfect study of fascism rendered in furnishing.  It doesn't invite the weary Nazi to set a spell, but rather demands it. If houses are machines for living, fit for dental hygienist dominatrixes-- this is the perfect dentist's chair.  :wink2:  :grin:

Hereasy! Corbusier was an idealist, a purist, and a utopian. The chair was designed in 1928, by the way.

The Bauhaus ideal of functionality over ornament was born out of the hardships of Weimar Germany. (See! It ties back to economics) And the flourishes of Art Deco were not appropriate during the economic and political disruptions of the 30's in both the US and Europe.
The Nazis actually closed down the Bauhaus fearing it's subversive "cosmopolitan" influences, and preferring a more Arian style (pitched roofs, timber framing, etc).
It seems that Nazi traditions have endured in the form of the average American tract home more than anyone would care to recognize.
Curiously, Tel Aviv has one of the largest collection of buildings in the International Style in the world.
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