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#226 DrStool

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Posted 13 May 2004 - 10:46 PM

I don't understand how treasuries keep falling if we crash. expect to see much lower yields

Why?

In an inflationary bear market stocks and bonds go down together.

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Posted 13 May 2004 - 10:52 PM

In an inflationary bear market stocks and bonds go down together.

Yep

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Posted 13 May 2004 - 10:53 PM

NazDucks parachute opened on impact-Oh My !

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Posted 13 May 2004 - 10:53 PM

Okay. I defer to the three wise men. So why doesn't gold go up again?

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Posted 13 May 2004 - 10:55 PM

Foreign central banks sell some U.S. debt - Fed

"...though the amount was trivial compared to the massive size of their holdings."

Move along.  Nothing to see here.

Japan stepped out of the market on March 31. It's my guess that one or both Chinas are involuntarily picking up dollars faster than they can dospose of them, which created some central bank accumululation in April. Could also be one of those OPEC countries that didn't yet convert them to Euros.

There is no magic level where Japan may actually sell dollars and buy back yen, but 115 comes to mind about a place they would start.

Not that I predicted it, but if the dollar rises from here the bond market will continue to drop with hardly any rally. This is one case where a trend in one market may effect another. The daily escalation of energy prices must also influence the expected returns of bond buyers.

thesun does not think about those kind of things. I may be just full of it, just let me know about it and be nice.

If everyone is selling bonds. Bonds go down. And this is happening.

But when you sell a bond you get cash for it. WHERE is all the that cash coming from.

IF some one can explain it to me
i would appreciate it. thanks

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Posted 13 May 2004 - 10:57 PM

Captain,

1163-1087= 76 points for wave one of one of C or 3.

wave 3 =ing 1.618 of wave one would be 122 points.

1150 - 122= 1028.

That's right.

1147 - (76/.618) = 1024 to be more precise. :P

Also, 1147 - (76/.786) = 1050. ;)

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Posted 13 May 2004 - 10:58 PM

If you are watching NazDuck is going down in flames-Butters -don;t fret about Bonds we are very close to a bottom and a big win for Treasuries!.

B4,

Are you saying you expect a sustainable rally in treasury prices (int rate implosion)? Not questioning you call, just want to make sure I understand your position.

TIA

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Posted 13 May 2004 - 11:02 PM

Allegheny County To Lay Off 500 People
PITTSBURGH -- Allegheny County Executive Dan Onoroto announced Thursday the impact of his budget battle
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Posted 13 May 2004 - 11:02 PM

Asia appears to be imploding.......

Especially Singapore and S. Korea.

Check out CNBS Asia. The commentators are in a mild state of panic....
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Posted 13 May 2004 - 11:04 PM

Okay. I defer to the three wise men. So why doesn't gold go up again?

Because....





It's not time yet.


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Posted 13 May 2004 - 11:05 PM

Mark - they are the most dependent on China

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Posted 13 May 2004 - 11:07 PM

Asia appears to be imploding.......

Especially Singapore and S. Korea.

Check out CNBS Asia. The commentators are in a mild state of panic....

You have more details? All I see on Bloomberg is the Nikkei up 76.

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Posted 13 May 2004 - 11:11 PM

But when you sell a bond you get cash for it. WHERE is all the that cash coming from.


Printing press in Al's basement.

Also, largest Gang of 23 Bond short position in world history.

Still lots of foreign buying. Evidence- rising dollar. Still not enough though. Bond prices keep falling.

Charts say this is far from over.


Oh, it's the end of the world as we know it.

Yes, it's the end of the world as we know it.

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Posted 13 May 2004 - 11:11 PM

It's not time yet.

Could be darn close, though.

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Posted 13 May 2004 - 11:18 PM

Montreal-based company closing Effingham plant, costing 600 jobs

Believe me, I'm not making light of anyone's misfortune, but....

EFFING-ham???? Give me a break! What is the nickname for the Effing high school team?
Of course I'm caustic!





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