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Posted 12 January 2004 - 12:26 AM

Screw em all In fact KILL em' all. Metallica.

Coming up.
NONE of what I type, should be taken as financial advice.

And when you loose control, you'll reap the harvest that you've sown
And as the fear grows, the bad blood slows and turns to stone
And it's too late to loose the weight you used to need to throw around
So have a good drown, as you go down, alone
Dragged down by the stone.


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Posted 12 January 2004 - 12:28 AM

i hate swf games..they frustrate me sometimes!

can't seem to get higher than this. going to bed..nite all :)

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Posted 12 January 2004 - 12:28 AM

Down in the depths of my firey home
The summons bell will chime
Tempting you and all the earth
to join our sinful kind
There is a job to be done and I'm the one
You people make me do it
Now it is time for your fate and I won't hesitate
to pull you down into this pit

So come on
Jump in the Fire
So come on
Jump in the Fire

With hell in my eyes and with death in my veins
The end is closing in
Feeding on the minds of man
and from their souls within
My disciples all shout to search out
And they always shall obey
Follow me now my child not the meek or the mild
But do just as I say

So come on
Jump in the Fire
So come on
Jump in the Fire

Jump by your will or be taken by force
I'll get you either way
Trying to keep the hellfire lit
I am stalking you as prey
Living your life as me I am you you see
So reach down grab my hand walk with me through the land
Come home where you belong


Jump in the fire. Metallica.
NONE of what I type, should be taken as financial advice.

And when you loose control, you'll reap the harvest that you've sown
And as the fear grows, the bad blood slows and turns to stone
And it's too late to loose the weight you used to need to throw around
So have a good drown, as you go down, alone
Dragged down by the stone.


--Waters

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Posted 12 January 2004 - 12:29 AM

i hate swf games..they frustrate me sometimes!

can't seem to get higher than this. going to bed..nite all :)

I believe that number.
NONE of what I type, should be taken as financial advice.

And when you loose control, you'll reap the harvest that you've sown
And as the fear grows, the bad blood slows and turns to stone
And it's too late to loose the weight you used to need to throw around
So have a good drown, as you go down, alone
Dragged down by the stone.


--Waters

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Posted 12 January 2004 - 12:46 AM

HT, do you ever play Delta Force Task Force Dagger by Novalogic?

I play on the Novalogic public servers with 31 other 'users' simultaneously...
the maps represent the terrain found in Afghanistan.

Just UT 2003
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Posted 12 January 2004 - 12:47 AM

Got to go to bed.

So, If , not when anymore, I get up at 3:00 am.

To watch the gold slam.

I'll be alert.

Hi Ho Freaking Silver.

Good Night Mrs. Calabash where ever you are. :rolleyes: B) :ph34r:

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Posted 12 January 2004 - 01:50 AM

Japan may have purchased up to $47 billion in US$ through the forex markets last week, although it may take one to two more weeks to know for sure.

The $47 billion was obtained by a repo backed by existing US treasuries (see story below), or in other words, they created new (fiat) yen in much the same way the Fed creates new $s.

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Posted 12 January 2004 - 02:00 AM

Beardrech, There is nothing in my experience of this life that could possibly compare to what that must have been like.  How in the heck these guys came back and led normal lives is beyond me.

HRFF's uncle perished in a B-17 over Schweinfurt/Regensberg in the notorious raid sans fighter escort in August of 43? That raid and one or two others finally convinced the Americans they needed long range fighters. Over 60 planes failed to come back, that time.
His (and plane's demise) is described in DOUBLE STRIKE by Jablownski. Seems to have created a bit of controversy. Landing gear hydraulics had been shot up and the gear were down, an international sign of surrender. The already wounded plane, had fallen behind. Focke Wulffe and ME 109's approached closely thinking they were safe. They weren't, crew were unaware of the landing gear, the survivors later said, and orders were given to open up, and 5 or 6 went down at once. Those that survived blew the plane out of the sky. Miraculously most of the crew got out, before it exploded in mid-air with two still aboard. For years, my mother thought, wrongly, her brother had survived, badly, perhaps mortally wounded, only to be murdered shortly thereafter by angry German civilians - one was safer falling into the hands of the SS or Wehrmacht.
His older brother, a top turret gunner in a B-17, got not one, but two DFC's... HRFF read in a military magazine that they gave out DFC's late in the war for those who had survived a certain no. of missions. Germans did it too. Gave the Iron Cross automatically to those that survived more than 12 days in the ferocious fighting around Monte Casino, which claimed 250,000+ Allied casualties.
Got to talking about the uncles with a prospective client one day years ago, whose father was a B-17 nut. He gave HRFF a book called B-17's OVER EUROPE or something close thereto.
Couldn't read more than a chapter or two. Had to put it down. Still haven't finished it.
American airmen in WWII took casualties as a percentage of their numbers second only to the German's in U-Boats, allegedly. of the 12-13000 B-17's put into action over 5000 were shot down.
HRFF's uncle one of more than 50,000 US airmen who never came back. British losses were just as heavy.
Once or twice a year they fly a B-17 into Boeing field right out HRFF's window - sometimes at eye level.
He has sat in his living room chair and watched one turn slowly and fly, momentarily, straight at him, thinking that is just what Luftwaffe pilots saw as they closed in.
oh, there's a family story about the day my uncle was shot down. He appeared in front of and spoke to my grandmother, who arrived at home from a shopping trip white as a sheet and speechless for over an hour until prompted to describe what she had seen/heard. She had no way of knowing what was going on that day, half a world away.
The Germans have a name for a similar/the phenomenon, ironically: doppleganger
"The sphinx set riddles for people which they could not solve and the sphinx devoured them." Russian poet Ilia Ehrenberg reflecting years later upon the debacle of the Bolshevik Revolution and civil war

"In any case, experience shows people are unlikely to change their ways without a cataclysm of existential proportions" Meinhard Meigel, German economist and demography expert on his prophecy of a Wagnerian abyss of social and economic chaos

"We believe that here is no easy way out of this mess, and that the chance of a benign outcome, while hopefully possible, is quite low." Comstock Partners 3-17-2005

"Not without a shudder may the human hand reach into the mysterious urn of destiny." Junk email promoting the sale of Valium, Viagra, Soma and Cialis. Of course, we AMERICANS need not WORRY about such CLAPTRAP!!!

"The trouble about myths, or lies, is that those who foster them are stuck with them." Edward Crankshaw

"I don't buy the idea that a crash will come without warning. There are always warnings. All crashes have certain common technical preconditions." Doc (snorjt)

"YOU look IMPORTANT. Are you important, or just....WEIRD?"
"Bob I am" at a political gathering, to HRFF, 9-29-04

"Are YOU C.I.A.???"
"No, I'm not "CIA"."
"Well, you sure LOOK LIKE you're C.I.A.!!!"

Lead singer of the rock band KISS to HRFF at a luggage carousel at SeaTac airport circa 1996

"Unlike you, I use words people can understand." Doc

"America at the moment, with its faith-based currency, faith-based economy and faith-based government, might be a heaven for those who love faith, but it's a hell for those of us that respect evidence." The Daily (W?)Reckoning, circa 9-17-04

"What should be clear at this point is that even huge fiscal stimulus and unprecedented financial excess are incapable of fostering a sound and self-sustaining economic expansion. The paramount issue, today and going forward, is the deeply maladjusted U.S. economy and its increasing unresponsiveness to even enormous yet misdirected financial stimulus. Both the Financial Sphere and Economic Sphere are severely maladjusted." Doug Noland's Credit Bubble Bulletin, Aug 24 '04

"U.S. dollar purchasing power relies almost entirely on the difference between interest rates in Japan and the higher rates in the United States." Warren Pollock, Prudent Bear essay circa 9-04

"What about your replacements? the Children. What do we tell them when the whole thing caves in?" HyperTiger

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Posted 12 January 2004 - 02:20 AM

A senior Syrian journalist reports Iraq’s WMD located in three Syrian sites.

Special report by DEBKAfile
January 8, 2004, 8:57 PM (GMT+02:00

Najoef writes that the transfer of Iraqi WMD to Syria was organized by the commanders of Saddam Hussein’s Special Republican Guard, including General Shalish, with the help of Assif Shoakat , Bashar Assad’s cousin. Shoakat is the CEO of Bhaha, an import/export company owned by the Assad family.

In February 2003, a month before America’s invasion in Iraq, DEBKAfile and DEBKA-Net-Weekly were the only media to report the movement of Iraqi WMD, the efforts to bring them from Iraq to Syria, and the personal involvement of Bashar Assad and his family in the operation.

Najoef, who has won prizes for journalistic integrity, says he wrote his letter because he has terminal cancer.

http://www.debka.com...cle.php?aid=764

Sounds like a plant to stir up a basis for military action against Syria.
"The sphinx set riddles for people which they could not solve and the sphinx devoured them." Russian poet Ilia Ehrenberg reflecting years later upon the debacle of the Bolshevik Revolution and civil war

"In any case, experience shows people are unlikely to change their ways without a cataclysm of existential proportions" Meinhard Meigel, German economist and demography expert on his prophecy of a Wagnerian abyss of social and economic chaos

"We believe that here is no easy way out of this mess, and that the chance of a benign outcome, while hopefully possible, is quite low." Comstock Partners 3-17-2005

"Not without a shudder may the human hand reach into the mysterious urn of destiny." Junk email promoting the sale of Valium, Viagra, Soma and Cialis. Of course, we AMERICANS need not WORRY about such CLAPTRAP!!!

"The trouble about myths, or lies, is that those who foster them are stuck with them." Edward Crankshaw

"I don't buy the idea that a crash will come without warning. There are always warnings. All crashes have certain common technical preconditions." Doc (snorjt)

"YOU look IMPORTANT. Are you important, or just....WEIRD?"
"Bob I am" at a political gathering, to HRFF, 9-29-04

"Are YOU C.I.A.???"
"No, I'm not "CIA"."
"Well, you sure LOOK LIKE you're C.I.A.!!!"

Lead singer of the rock band KISS to HRFF at a luggage carousel at SeaTac airport circa 1996

"Unlike you, I use words people can understand." Doc

"America at the moment, with its faith-based currency, faith-based economy and faith-based government, might be a heaven for those who love faith, but it's a hell for those of us that respect evidence." The Daily (W?)Reckoning, circa 9-17-04

"What should be clear at this point is that even huge fiscal stimulus and unprecedented financial excess are incapable of fostering a sound and self-sustaining economic expansion. The paramount issue, today and going forward, is the deeply maladjusted U.S. economy and its increasing unresponsiveness to even enormous yet misdirected financial stimulus. Both the Financial Sphere and Economic Sphere are severely maladjusted." Doug Noland's Credit Bubble Bulletin, Aug 24 '04

"U.S. dollar purchasing power relies almost entirely on the difference between interest rates in Japan and the higher rates in the United States." Warren Pollock, Prudent Bear essay circa 9-04

"What about your replacements? the Children. What do we tell them when the whole thing caves in?" HyperTiger

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Posted 12 January 2004 - 02:31 AM

I concentrate on Economics...the mechanics of fractional reserve banking mostly...

In the historical record there ar also "incidents" which periodically reoccur like clockwork...

And make economic collapses of any magnitude insignificant...

I won't go into great detail because I've already gone too far...

Here is one reoccuring event that is gaining steam lately...

BILLINGS, Mont. -- Yellowstone National Park happens to be on top of one of the largest “super volcanoes” in the world. Geologists claim the Yellowstone Park area has been on a regular eruption cycle of 600,000 years. The last eruption was 640,000 years ago making the next one long overdue. This next eruption could be 2,500 times the size of the 1980 Mount St. Helens eruption. Volcanologists have been tracking the movement of magma under the park and have calculated that, in parts of Yellowstone, the ground has risen over seventy centimeters this century.

In July, 2003, Yellowstone Park rangers closed the entire Norris Geyser Basin because of deformation of the land and excessive high ground temperatures. There is an area that is 28 miles long by 7 miles wide that has bulged upward over five inches since 1996, and this year the ground temperature on that bulge has reached over 200 degrees (measured one inch below ground level).

There was no choice but to close off the entire area. Everything in this area is dying: The trees, flowers, grass and shrubs. A dead zone is developing and spreading outward. The animals are literally migrating out of the park.

Then during the last part of July one of the Park geologists discovered a huge bulge at the bottom of Yellowstone Lake. The bulge has already risen over 100 feet from the bottom of the lake and the water temperature at the surface of the bulge has reached 88 degrees and is still rising.

Keep in mind that Yellowstone Lake is a high mountain lake with very cold water temperatures. The Lake is now closed to the public. It is filled with dead fish floating everywhere. The same is true of the Yellowstone river and most of the other streams in the Park. Dead and dying fish are filling the water everywhere.

Many of the picnic areas in the Park have been closed and people visiting the Park usually stay but a few hours before leaving since the stench of sulfur is so strong they literally can't stand the smell.

The irony of all this is the silence by the news media and our government. Very little information is available from Yellowstone personnel or publications. What mainstream newsstories do appear underscore the likelihood of a massive volcanic eruption. Though geologists publicly admit Yellowstone is “overdue,” they have been quoted as stating another massive magma release may not occur for 100,000 or 2 million years. Others close to the story are convinced that a massive eruption is imminent. A source that has demonstrated first-hand knowledge of the park's history and recent geothermal events stated the following: “The American people are not being told that the explosion of this 'super volcano' could happen at any moment. When Yellowstone does blow, some geologists predict that every living thing within six hundred miles is likely to die. The movement of magma has been detected just three-tenths of a mile below the bulging surface of the ground in Yellowstone raising concerns that this super volcano may erupt soon.”

And another I've studied for a few years the below stories keep poping up...

Here it goes... I was a 19-year employee of the NSA. For those of you who aren´t familiar with this agency, the NSA coordinates, directs, and performs highly specialized activities to protect U.S. information systems and produce foreign intelligence information. As one of many cryptanal cysts, I was on the cutting edge of communications and data processing. I also worked, for about 7 months, in the Intelligence Analysis area. As such, I helped assess intelligence and then make predictions as to likely outcomes.

At 59, I retired because of poor health (colon cancer) and to spend more time with my family. Currently, my cancer is in remission and in the time I (or we) have left, I want to come clean with little I know.

During the early part of the 90´s (I retired in 1998), I became aware of a growing uneasiness among my coworkers. Most of this anxiety stemmed from rumors that other government agencies, and also some international governments, have been working for years to develop contingency plans in the event of a series of natural distasters. Nothing wrong with this, I initially thought. But what came next surprised even this old government hack.

What I began to learn was that our federal government has known for a couple of decades that a celestial object of unknown origin has been making a beeline toward our solar system. They´ve also surmised that the trajectory, unless somehow changed, would likely result in, to put it mildly, a "disturbance" that would change the face of our world. I could accept that as a possibility at the time I learned it, but what I have recently had a hard time dealing with is the time frame... the rumors (even as far back as the early 1990´s) all pointed to 2004.

I can´t tell you much more than that. It´s really all I know. I simply wanted to publish my version of these rumors as plainly as I could now that we´ve begun what many believe is our terminal year.

As I watch our federal government´s actions in recent months and years, I can´t help but feel that we´re only seeing the very tip of a murky iceberg. I can assure you that the high degree of compartmentalization within the NSA guarantees that very few have the complete picture of any topic at any given point in time. I suspect the same is true of this celestial object -- whatever it is.

My collective admonition to you is to love your families and to expect the unexpected. This year could be very telling, indeed.

Will anything occur? I don´t know. I´m not in the business of making predictions. In this particular case, I´m just playing the role of a reporter who is also concerned about the direction our government seems to be taking us.

You´ll not hear from me again. God bless. I thank you all for the opportunity to clear my conscience about what little I have heard and seen.

--Informant

The Day after Tomorrow a quicktime movie that needs broadband...

Just stuff from the zone...

It's not what we're being told that's so worrisome; it's what we're NOT being told.

Yellowstone is a gigantic cauldera. So, too, the area around Mammoth.

When one floats the Yakima River or drives down the N Fork of the Umqua from Crater Lake - caused by a massive eruption eons ago - one sees layers of volcanic ash that are feet upon feet thick.

Sure it could happen again.

That asteroid is the focal point of a no. of websites. Claims about it are far out - that the Challenger disaster and John Denver, even were linked to a conspiracy to silence people about it.

Rather like the story about the curse brought down on the WTC by a hotelier cheated out of his grandiose designs for the world's largest hotel at the turn of the last Century by the Rockefellers' skullduggery.
"The sphinx set riddles for people which they could not solve and the sphinx devoured them." Russian poet Ilia Ehrenberg reflecting years later upon the debacle of the Bolshevik Revolution and civil war

"In any case, experience shows people are unlikely to change their ways without a cataclysm of existential proportions" Meinhard Meigel, German economist and demography expert on his prophecy of a Wagnerian abyss of social and economic chaos

"We believe that here is no easy way out of this mess, and that the chance of a benign outcome, while hopefully possible, is quite low." Comstock Partners 3-17-2005

"Not without a shudder may the human hand reach into the mysterious urn of destiny." Junk email promoting the sale of Valium, Viagra, Soma and Cialis. Of course, we AMERICANS need not WORRY about such CLAPTRAP!!!

"The trouble about myths, or lies, is that those who foster them are stuck with them." Edward Crankshaw

"I don't buy the idea that a crash will come without warning. There are always warnings. All crashes have certain common technical preconditions." Doc (snorjt)

"YOU look IMPORTANT. Are you important, or just....WEIRD?"
"Bob I am" at a political gathering, to HRFF, 9-29-04

"Are YOU C.I.A.???"
"No, I'm not "CIA"."
"Well, you sure LOOK LIKE you're C.I.A.!!!"

Lead singer of the rock band KISS to HRFF at a luggage carousel at SeaTac airport circa 1996

"Unlike you, I use words people can understand." Doc

"America at the moment, with its faith-based currency, faith-based economy and faith-based government, might be a heaven for those who love faith, but it's a hell for those of us that respect evidence." The Daily (W?)Reckoning, circa 9-17-04

"What should be clear at this point is that even huge fiscal stimulus and unprecedented financial excess are incapable of fostering a sound and self-sustaining economic expansion. The paramount issue, today and going forward, is the deeply maladjusted U.S. economy and its increasing unresponsiveness to even enormous yet misdirected financial stimulus. Both the Financial Sphere and Economic Sphere are severely maladjusted." Doug Noland's Credit Bubble Bulletin, Aug 24 '04

"U.S. dollar purchasing power relies almost entirely on the difference between interest rates in Japan and the higher rates in the United States." Warren Pollock, Prudent Bear essay circa 9-04

"What about your replacements? the Children. What do we tell them when the whole thing caves in?" HyperTiger

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Posted 12 January 2004 - 03:11 AM

Why? I ain't saying you are wrong. or right. but why?

You keep making predictions based on colored lines that don't work. Why 9920?

I know , It's a secret. You will pm all but me. Good on ya.

....gosh...

....Oh my!

....bummer!....
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Posted 12 January 2004 - 03:12 AM

Wow "War and Peace" is shorter than this thread.

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Posted 12 January 2004 - 04:23 AM

Ironically, a few minutes ago HRFF perused a copy of THE NEW YORKER, which, in the middle of an interminably long article profiling the Republican Speaker of the House of Representatives, Mr. Denny Hastert, there appears an insert re a new book on the atomic age called "100 SUNS", photo's of America's atmospheric testing post-WWII. That caused HRFF to look it up on the www which led him to Amazon and reviews which led him to a website that had information about what he just addressed. U.S. Airmen in "The BIG ONE" as BARE's father calls it, FURom time to time, had a 71% chance of dying. No wonder his uncle who survived got that second DFC for doing so!

Lots of other curious facts about WWII here:

http://www.vce.com/h...an_fiction.html
"The sphinx set riddles for people which they could not solve and the sphinx devoured them." Russian poet Ilia Ehrenberg reflecting years later upon the debacle of the Bolshevik Revolution and civil war

"In any case, experience shows people are unlikely to change their ways without a cataclysm of existential proportions" Meinhard Meigel, German economist and demography expert on his prophecy of a Wagnerian abyss of social and economic chaos

"We believe that here is no easy way out of this mess, and that the chance of a benign outcome, while hopefully possible, is quite low." Comstock Partners 3-17-2005

"Not without a shudder may the human hand reach into the mysterious urn of destiny." Junk email promoting the sale of Valium, Viagra, Soma and Cialis. Of course, we AMERICANS need not WORRY about such CLAPTRAP!!!

"The trouble about myths, or lies, is that those who foster them are stuck with them." Edward Crankshaw

"I don't buy the idea that a crash will come without warning. There are always warnings. All crashes have certain common technical preconditions." Doc (snorjt)

"YOU look IMPORTANT. Are you important, or just....WEIRD?"
"Bob I am" at a political gathering, to HRFF, 9-29-04

"Are YOU C.I.A.???"
"No, I'm not "CIA"."
"Well, you sure LOOK LIKE you're C.I.A.!!!"

Lead singer of the rock band KISS to HRFF at a luggage carousel at SeaTac airport circa 1996

"Unlike you, I use words people can understand." Doc

"America at the moment, with its faith-based currency, faith-based economy and faith-based government, might be a heaven for those who love faith, but it's a hell for those of us that respect evidence." The Daily (W?)Reckoning, circa 9-17-04

"What should be clear at this point is that even huge fiscal stimulus and unprecedented financial excess are incapable of fostering a sound and self-sustaining economic expansion. The paramount issue, today and going forward, is the deeply maladjusted U.S. economy and its increasing unresponsiveness to even enormous yet misdirected financial stimulus. Both the Financial Sphere and Economic Sphere are severely maladjusted." Doug Noland's Credit Bubble Bulletin, Aug 24 '04

"U.S. dollar purchasing power relies almost entirely on the difference between interest rates in Japan and the higher rates in the United States." Warren Pollock, Prudent Bear essay circa 9-04

"What about your replacements? the Children. What do we tell them when the whole thing caves in?" HyperTiger

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Posted 12 January 2004 - 05:05 AM

JUST READ A GREAT BIOGRAPHY

Over the holidays I just read the autobiography of J.P.Getty "As i see it"

greeeeeeeeeat read.

Starts with a quote from Abraham Lincoln

" You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.

You cannot help the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer.

You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.

You cannot build character and courage by taking away a mans inititative.

You canot help men permanently by doing for them what they should do for themselves."

Highly recommended!!!
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Posted 12 January 2004 - 05:48 AM

JUST READ A GREAT BIOGRAPHY

Over the holidays I just read the autobiography of J.P.Getty "As i see it"

greeeeeeeeeat read.

Starts with a quote from Abraham Lincoln

" You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.

You cannot help the wage earner by pulling down the wage payer.

You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.

You cannot build character and courage by taking away a mans inititative.

You canot help men permanently by doing for them what they should do for themselves."

Highly recommended!!!

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