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#451 BarBu

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Posted 11 December 2003 - 04:52 PM

0.5 @ 1944.19 (2000.92, 1887.46)

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#452 Farmer

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Posted 11 December 2003 - 04:52 PM

Thanks Dozer for getting the silver piled up.

It all in the lining.

What I liked about the d-12

Everything.

I was going to set stakes for the road
he said don.t bother ,where do you want it
Just walk down the center and I'll foolow you.
Presto instant Road.

Loveeeeeeeeee it.

Oh He did ask the grade I said 2%

He said done and it was.

The right man and the right machine.

Well just get outta the freaking way. :lol: :lol: :lol:

#453 Ned38

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Posted 11 December 2003 - 04:52 PM

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

I notice we are under 10k

anybody else see that?

#454 K Wave Rider

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Posted 11 December 2003 - 04:52 PM

This is startin' to remind me of Jan 1984..it was Friday the 13th, as I recall.

They were trying to close the Dow over 1300 (seems hardly believable now, eh?)

Well, in the last 15 min, the thing sold off hard, and then went down almost every day after that until the end of February, from 1300 to 1120.

Maybe we can get a repeat performance. :D

#455 GregFokker

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Posted 11 December 2003 - 04:52 PM

sure wish the mkt would close, I have to pee :huh:

:lol: :lol:

Just head over and do it in Bullstool.,..

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Naturally we believe the govt numbers... and Boobus Americanus sleepwalks off the edge of the energy-crisis cliff clutching his shares of "Crisco", Yoohoo and GooGah munching on his Yum Yums and Ho Hos. Future historians will have a hell of a time figuring out what the hell Americanus neanderthalus was thinking and exactly what brought on his sudden demise... - Henny Penny

Well, good night everyone. I gotta go lube up for tomorrow's regular end-of-week Gold Slapdown and Stock Index Bear Punishment Rally Weekend Greenprint. ...Probably another Shock-and-Awe Gap-Up-Open and Wire-to-Wire Meltup Runaway Bull Charge Mo-Mo Spike to Fresh New All-Time Lifetime Highs, culminating in a 4:15 yelping scalded dog runoff with panic short-covering and legal not-held bad double fills due to fast market conditions, plus quote system freeze-ups and trading platform lock-outs along the way. *yawn* typical gov't Friday. - Shorty


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Posted 11 December 2003 - 04:53 PM

H2: how much of that return was from dividends? How does one account for the stocks that get kicked out of the indices?
""Pretty bubbleheads preen daily on our financial networks, playing the shill to Wall Street and Washington in order to lure unsuspecting Americans into buying insanely overvalued stocks. The great market exchanges, once prudent arenas of investment where the engine of capitalism traded value for value, have become sham casinos staggering under decades of massive Fed created debt and lurching into oblivion on the greater fool theory. Yet our high level bureaucrats, led by Alan Greenspan, exhort all Americans to consume still more of their seed corn and seek still more fools." N. Hultberg

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Posted 11 December 2003 - 04:53 PM

I take it back...just pulled the Ibbotson chart from my old days at SmithBarney

From 1925-1999 Small Cap stocks 12.5%
Large Cap Stocks 11.3%
Long term govt bonds 5.1%
T bills 3.8%
Inflation 3%

adjusted for the crash in 2000 thru now probably avg around 9%

apologies, thought you were referring to total returns thru-out history.

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Posted 11 December 2003 - 04:53 PM

LLD,

Good catch on the Fed minutes.

Here is the Bloomberg story:

http://quote.bloombe...efer=news_index

Bulls as usual have got the wrong end of the stick and the bond market is right.

#459 purdymouth

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Posted 11 December 2003 - 04:53 PM

urf urf urf!

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#460 Bearman

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Posted 11 December 2003 - 04:53 PM

<H1> FEAR IS NEAR</H1> :lol:

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Posted 11 December 2003 - 04:54 PM

I knew today was a bad day to stop shooting up flu vaccine. . .

read somewhere the mercury in those flu shots increases the chance of alzhiemer's
by 1000%.

may have to load up on flu shots, i don't want to remember the good times
when this mess goes bad.

#462 soup

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Posted 11 December 2003 - 04:55 PM

I do not trust them, watching for the +1500 tick on the close. ( then the sell off)
""Pretty bubbleheads preen daily on our financial networks, playing the shill to Wall Street and Washington in order to lure unsuspecting Americans into buying insanely overvalued stocks. The great market exchanges, once prudent arenas of investment where the engine of capitalism traded value for value, have become sham casinos staggering under decades of massive Fed created debt and lurching into oblivion on the greater fool theory. Yet our high level bureaucrats, led by Alan Greenspan, exhort all Americans to consume still more of their seed corn and seek still more fools." N. Hultberg

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Posted 11 December 2003 - 04:56 PM

I take it back...just pulled the Ibbotson chart from my old days at SmithBarney

From 1925-1999 Small Cap stocks 12.5%
Large Cap Stocks 11.3%
Long term govt bonds 5.1%
T bills 3.8%
Inflation 3%

adjusted for the crash in 2000 thru now probably avg around 9%

I believe Doc has previously called Ibbotson paid lying whores for the borkers. Something like that though with more flair. I'm sure he can find it for you. :wink2:

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Posted 11 December 2003 - 04:56 PM

SOX 500 ran into the wall in the final turn.

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Posted 11 December 2003 - 04:56 PM

I'm not married to either side of this market, but the fact is over the last 100 years or so Stocks return a very respectable 8% a year....Does'nt mean they always will, but thats the historical fact.

7.6% is the historical average (including the two major manias 20's, 90's). The devil is in the details:

3.4% dividends
2.2% inflation
2% economic increase in value

of course those who bought during manias or at other peaks will experience growth well below 7.6%





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