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#16 longOnUranus

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Posted 24 October 2003 - 09:06 AM

...Watching for any weakness in the miners to take some profits but will continue to hold some.

i hear too many peoples (including myself) echoing this strategy; therefore it may be flawed, at least short term. I'll take some short side profits on XAU puts on weakness and sit it out for a while. Swing trading these options has been very profitable of late due to volatility. As long as you catch the winning side.

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Posted 24 October 2003 - 09:08 AM

ATLANTA (Reuters) - American soldiers returning from Iraq are being told not to give blood for up to one year to prevent the possible spread of a parasite into the U.S. blood supply, federal health officials said on Thursday.

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#18 crooked_analyst

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Posted 24 October 2003 - 09:12 AM

Naz got whacked harder than SPX yesterday, and it's happening again this morning.

Let's face it, without that fantastic 50% Naz gain in the past 8 months, nobody would give a damn about the stock market. If this limp-ass action keeps up, the jaded and easily-bored hot money will move on to some other bubble. To something safe, like real estate. /joke ... please don't flame me/

Yes, the 27-year-old fund mismanagers are giving a hard rethink to a career in property flipping. Otherwise the filet mignon and lobster tail dinners, and the weekend drive to East Hampton in the Ferrari, may give way to claustrophobic evenings in the rabbit-hutch Manhattan apartment, munching on Naz-aroni ("the AMAT/Cisco treat") with powdered cheese.

Machine...great description...."Mismanagers" :D

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Posted 24 October 2003 - 09:13 AM

Smurfit-Stone to cut 1,400 jobs (SSCC) By Tomi Kilgore
NEW YORK (CBS.MW) - Smurfit-Stone Container (SSCC) said in a filing with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission late Thursday that it would reduce its workforce by 1,400 employees over the next 18 months in an effort to cut costs in its containerboard, boxboard and packaging operations. The cost cuts will include the permanent closure of a mill in Thunder Bay, ON, two paper machines in Philadelphia and the temporary idling of a paper machines in Jacksonville, FL. The company said it expects to record a charge of $100 million in the fourth quarter for the actions, which are expected to lead to annual savings of $140 million. The stock closed Thursday down 2 cents at $14.40.

Boxes and container companies were once thought of as the economic equivalent of canaries in coal mines.

They still can be. I used to be an I.T. manager at one. Economic activity and the need for boxes is pretty highly correlated.

EDIT: For aussiebear...the company I worked for was AMCOR USA.

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Posted 24 October 2003 - 09:15 AM

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Posted 24 October 2003 - 09:16 AM

off today and will be here for awhile.

at what point does the short gold have to cover? 390? 400? 420?

will HT's scenario unfold as stocks are liquidated to buy gold to cover shorts and to not miss the rise?

edit: just saw HT's post prior to mine (coincidence). HT, could it go the other way too?

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Posted 24 October 2003 - 09:17 AM

POG on a run this morning. Investors buying treasuries. Humm :unsure: :P

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Posted 24 October 2003 - 09:18 AM

off today and will be here for awhile.

at what point does the short gold have to cover? 390? 400? 420?

will HT's scenario unfold as stocks are liquidated to buy gold to cover shorts and to not miss the rise?

Gold has pretty stiff resistance from 390-430 from mid-1980s and mid-1990s. Should be the site of a battle.

...A declining spenglerian carnival of Colossaalism united with Inflation where the numbers one through 10 are forever banished as worthless arithmetical detritus from a bygone age... - Beardrech

Naturally we believe the govt numbers... and Boobus Americanus sleepwalks off the edge of the energy-crisis cliff clutching his shares of "Crisco", Yoohoo and GooGah munching on his Yum Yums and Ho Hos. Future historians will have a hell of a time figuring out what the hell Americanus neanderthalus was thinking and exactly what brought on his sudden demise... - Henny Penny

Well, good night everyone. I gotta go lube up for tomorrow's regular end-of-week Gold Slapdown and Stock Index Bear Punishment Rally Weekend Greenprint. ...Probably another Shock-and-Awe Gap-Up-Open and Wire-to-Wire Meltup Runaway Bull Charge Mo-Mo Spike to Fresh New All-Time Lifetime Highs, culminating in a 4:15 yelping scalded dog runoff with panic short-covering and legal not-held bad double fills due to fast market conditions, plus quote system freeze-ups and trading platform lock-outs along the way. *yawn* typical gov't Friday. - Shorty


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Posted 24 October 2003 - 09:19 AM

is that anything like a repo blast? Maybe this is where that ejection is going:
Gold!

Watching for any weakness in the miners to take some profits but will continue to hold some.

Perhaps!


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Posted 24 October 2003 - 09:20 AM

Naz got whacked harder than SPX yesterday, and it's happening again this morning.

Let's face it, without that fantastic 50% Naz gain in the past 8 months, nobody would give a damn about the stock market. If this limp-ass action keeps up, the jaded and easily-bored hot money will move on to some other bubble. To something safe, like real estate. /joke ... please don't flame me/

Yes, the 27-year-old fund mismanagers are giving a hard rethink to a career in property flipping. Otherwise the filet mignon and lobster tail dinners, and the weekend drive to East Hampton in the Ferrari, may give way to claustrophobic evenings in the rabbit-hutch Manhattan apartment, munching on Naz-aroni ("the AMAT/Cisco treat") with powdered cheese.

Late summer early fall so a great deal of speculation in DRAM and processors. Not just the stocks but the actual components. The rise in component prices is always blindly considered as a leading indicator of tech demand. Of course just like the market when speculation takes over then predictive quality vanishes.

Here is the problem. Unlike Nasdaq lottery tickets components become obsolete rather quickly. Should the second half recovery not accelerate quickly I see a three way collision. 1)Built up inventory will not sell. 2)Order cancellations (double & triple ordering is the order of the day. 3)Speculative inventory will be dumped on the market at any price. Basically a repeat of 2000 only a few orders of magnitude more violent.

An interesting aside; a good friend who owns a small chain of pharmacies was recently telling me about the rampant speculation going on in drug inventories. Pharmacies, drug companies, benefit managers, etc. are trading pills between each other for speculative profit trying to game price increases and formulary list changes.

This mania is completely out of control. Stocks, bonds, real estate and now legal drugs.

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Posted 24 October 2003 - 09:21 AM

Looks like my OTM MSFT Dec putz are now ITM :grin:

...A declining spenglerian carnival of Colossaalism united with Inflation where the numbers one through 10 are forever banished as worthless arithmetical detritus from a bygone age... - Beardrech

Naturally we believe the govt numbers... and Boobus Americanus sleepwalks off the edge of the energy-crisis cliff clutching his shares of "Crisco", Yoohoo and GooGah munching on his Yum Yums and Ho Hos. Future historians will have a hell of a time figuring out what the hell Americanus neanderthalus was thinking and exactly what brought on his sudden demise... - Henny Penny

Well, good night everyone. I gotta go lube up for tomorrow's regular end-of-week Gold Slapdown and Stock Index Bear Punishment Rally Weekend Greenprint. ...Probably another Shock-and-Awe Gap-Up-Open and Wire-to-Wire Meltup Runaway Bull Charge Mo-Mo Spike to Fresh New All-Time Lifetime Highs, culminating in a 4:15 yelping scalded dog runoff with panic short-covering and legal not-held bad double fills due to fast market conditions, plus quote system freeze-ups and trading platform lock-outs along the way. *yawn* typical gov't Friday. - Shorty


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Posted 24 October 2003 - 09:22 AM

I closed Ryvnx yesterday. With MSFT reporting after the bell, I didn't want to lose 2 good down days for a jam. Also from what I understand of it (therefore, I am probably wrong :) ), Ryvnx reflects QQQ options at the 4:15 close. I figured there was a chance MSFT could be factored in if they reported early. Plus a potential SWUP. As I'm limited to mutual funds to short, can anyone suggest other funds?

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Posted 24 October 2003 - 09:24 AM

Looks like my OTM MSFT Dec putz are now ITM :grin:

Nicely done! :rolleyes:

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Posted 24 October 2003 - 09:25 AM

An interesting aside; a good friend who owns a small chain of pharmacies was recently telling me about the rampant speculation going on in drug inventories. Pharmacies, drug companies, benefit managers, etc. are trading pills between each other for speculative profit trying to game price increases and formulary list changes.

This mania is completely out of control. Stocks, bonds, real estate and now legal drugs.

Great insight, rog. This is the early stage of inflation psychology ... hoarding in anticipation of expected price increases.

Survivalists are hoarding ammo. Anyone who hoarded plywood at last year's prices can turn it for a nice profit now. And so it goes.

Borrow and spend. Let inflation rip.
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Posted 24 October 2003 - 09:25 AM

So you still have faith the gubmint is gonna save your
sorry dip-buying butt? I'm afraid not. Futures are down
big and T-bones are getting bought.

Remeber that feeling in the pit of your stomach 2 days
ago when you were dip buying? Well today it'll be
baaack with a vengence. You'll be munching Prevacids
and Rolaids like they're going out of style.

You helped drive up the price of this crap and IMHO
you deserved to get left holding the bag on an island
top.

Good luck to all true bears.
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