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#241 mjkst27

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Posted 16 June 2003 - 12:44 AM

Maybe the shortage thing is artificial....but a little paranoia says it's the repubs' trump card for the next election....force an artificial (and very well publicized)natgas shortage for the winter prior to the elections, and then blame it all on the liberal dem's tree-hugging in ANWR. And your homies get to make some money on the squeeze too.

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Posted 16 June 2003 - 12:45 AM

Natural gas is really in short supply... summer is not usually a time when you have to worry about a shortage...winter is primetime for Natural gas.
"We are completely dependant on the commercial banks. Someone has to borrow every dollar we have in circulation, cash or credit. If the banks create ample synthetic money (at the request of the consumer) we are prosperous; if not, we starve. We are absolutely without a permanent money system.... It is the most important subject intelligent persons can investigate and reflect upon. It is so important that our present civilization may collapse unless it becomes widely understood and the defects remedied very soon." --Robert H. Hemphill, Atlanta Federal Reserve Bank,1938...

#243 Whadda I Do Whadda I Do

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Posted 16 June 2003 - 12:47 AM

This one is for you HyperT:

The conspiratorialists say that this is just what is planned and postponement of elections (which in the US system must occur every four years) due to terrorism and an economic crisis will result in changing the political system. I prefer not to believe that because if that is the case, all the gold you can squirrel away regardless of a huge increase in market value will be of no avail.

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Posted 16 June 2003 - 12:51 AM

"All we really have to do is just hang the laundry on the line, and the price would plummet just like french wine. "

This same logic applies to just about any market.

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Posted 16 June 2003 - 01:03 AM

Bare: I think your from the fuur--r--r north, like the Montana/Canadian border: can fix anything with tie-wire and a 16 penny nail, except this economy.

For anyone who's been cutoff before by the ever-smiling faces:

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Posted 16 June 2003 - 01:05 AM

The oil biz is a racket...but the economic realities are that demand is outstripping supply enough to call it tight or else the price would have cratered by now... The oil industry is a mamoth machine and is very expensive to operate... you need profits and the profit margin has shrunk over the years... Oil is a risky game... I've seen holes that cost $200,000 to drill and produce 400 barrels an hour and I've seen holes that cost 2 million and produce nothing, even though all the experts were 100% sure that there was something down there... Heads do roll. Production costs and risk are the real killer...
"We are completely dependant on the commercial banks. Someone has to borrow every dollar we have in circulation, cash or credit. If the banks create ample synthetic money (at the request of the consumer) we are prosperous; if not, we starve. We are absolutely without a permanent money system.... It is the most important subject intelligent persons can investigate and reflect upon. It is so important that our present civilization may collapse unless it becomes widely understood and the defects remedied very soon." --Robert H. Hemphill, Atlanta Federal Reserve Bank,1938...

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Posted 16 June 2003 - 01:22 AM

How could I not have seen it? How could I have missed the obvious easy solution? The US just needs to create more money. That'll do the trick.

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Posted 16 June 2003 - 01:33 AM

Before I hit the sack,.. I just want to be clear that I do believe there's a shortage...

What I'm trying to say, is we have untapped reserves that have no access. Until that problem gets resolved the squeeze is on... Until something gives.

And the oil industry will push that string for as long as it can away with it.

By hanging the laundry on the line... we, the sheeple, say "enough!"

Somebody has to look out for us, right? I don't expect any time soon that the government would do it for us, do you? :D

Yeah this winter is going to be a doozy, all for nothing, IMO.

Hyper alot has to do with "just in time" inventory. I wouldn't want to be a crude scheduler for the life of me.... As far as refined products go.. here in my neck of the woods gasoline went down into the summer driving season. In 15 years, I never have seen that.

We are swimming in Jet fuel... and we are at about 75 to 78% capacity. It is night and day from 4 years ago.

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Posted 16 June 2003 - 01:38 AM

Bare is FURom West (by GOD) Virginia aka "Almost Heaven"

British Columbia is Heaven, BTW....
"The sphinx set riddles for people which they could not solve and the sphinx devoured them." Russian poet Ilia Ehrenberg reflecting years later upon the debacle of the Bolshevik Revolution and civil war

"In any case, experience shows people are unlikely to change their ways without a cataclysm of existential proportions" Meinhard Meigel, German economist and demography expert on his prophecy of a Wagnerian abyss of social and economic chaos

"We believe that here is no easy way out of this mess, and that the chance of a benign outcome, while hopefully possible, is quite low." Comstock Partners 3-17-2005

"Not without a shudder may the human hand reach into the mysterious urn of destiny." Junk email promoting the sale of Valium, Viagra, Soma and Cialis. Of course, we AMERICANS need not WORRY about such CLAPTRAP!!!

"The trouble about myths, or lies, is that those who foster them are stuck with them." Edward Crankshaw

"I don't buy the idea that a crash will come without warning. There are always warnings. All crashes have certain common technical preconditions." Doc (snorjt)

"YOU look IMPORTANT. Are you important, or just....WEIRD?"
"Bob I am" at a political gathering, to HRFF, 9-29-04

"Are YOU C.I.A.???"
"No, I'm not "CIA"."
"Well, you sure LOOK LIKE you're C.I.A.!!!"

Lead singer of the rock band KISS to HRFF at a luggage carousel at SeaTac airport circa 1996

"Unlike you, I use words people can understand." Doc

"America at the moment, with its faith-based currency, faith-based economy and faith-based government, might be a heaven for those who love faith, but it's a hell for those of us that respect evidence." The Daily (W?)Reckoning, circa 9-17-04

"What should be clear at this point is that even huge fiscal stimulus and unprecedented financial excess are incapable of fostering a sound and self-sustaining economic expansion. The paramount issue, today and going forward, is the deeply maladjusted U.S. economy and its increasing unresponsiveness to even enormous yet misdirected financial stimulus. Both the Financial Sphere and Economic Sphere are severely maladjusted." Doug Noland's Credit Bubble Bulletin, Aug 24 '04

"U.S. dollar purchasing power relies almost entirely on the difference between interest rates in Japan and the higher rates in the United States." Warren Pollock, Prudent Bear essay circa 9-04

"What about your replacements? the Children. What do we tell them when the whole thing caves in?" HyperTiger

#250 BAREister

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Posted 16 June 2003 - 01:43 AM

Actually, BARE is FURom Ohio, butt (_)_) was BORN in WV, which means he really IS FURom WV butt then, again, he isn't, really (it's an attorney talking here - u have been WARNED! lol)since he didn't spend more than a few daze there - ab initio. He lived only a few miles FURom there, went to school there, attended church there, zillions of relatives reside there (no funni remarx about WV inbreeding pleez!) and hASS spent OODLES of time there, butt he's an Ohioan (spiritually speaking of course). He's also a member of the Ohio B(e?)AR. lolol

This duality/paradox of geographical proximity hASS engendered a lifelong IDENTITY CRISIS (of sortz) which is now, naturally, only exASScerbating HRFF's MIDLIFE IDENTITY CRISIS.

sniff!!!

Seems like bearz are going thru an IDENTITY CRISIS cuz of this here rally, too.

A pity it iz, when they have to ASSk if they can say the C wurd around here.

Someone CENSORED* BARE's earlier post here in which he quite modestly and constructively suggested those responsible FUR engendering such a milieu of hesitancy in theze precincts be taken out and summarily SHOT, metaFURically speaking, thatiz, in the finest Stalinist style, sans a Lubyanka basement walk. (HRFF has always had a sneaking admiration FUR "Uncle Joe", who didn't mess around.) Just KIDDING!!!

HONEST!!!

*now, WHOOOooodidDAT?

whowhowhowhoWHOOOOOO???
"The sphinx set riddles for people which they could not solve and the sphinx devoured them." Russian poet Ilia Ehrenberg reflecting years later upon the debacle of the Bolshevik Revolution and civil war

"In any case, experience shows people are unlikely to change their ways without a cataclysm of existential proportions" Meinhard Meigel, German economist and demography expert on his prophecy of a Wagnerian abyss of social and economic chaos

"We believe that here is no easy way out of this mess, and that the chance of a benign outcome, while hopefully possible, is quite low." Comstock Partners 3-17-2005

"Not without a shudder may the human hand reach into the mysterious urn of destiny." Junk email promoting the sale of Valium, Viagra, Soma and Cialis. Of course, we AMERICANS need not WORRY about such CLAPTRAP!!!

"The trouble about myths, or lies, is that those who foster them are stuck with them." Edward Crankshaw

"I don't buy the idea that a crash will come without warning. There are always warnings. All crashes have certain common technical preconditions." Doc (snorjt)

"YOU look IMPORTANT. Are you important, or just....WEIRD?"
"Bob I am" at a political gathering, to HRFF, 9-29-04

"Are YOU C.I.A.???"
"No, I'm not "CIA"."
"Well, you sure LOOK LIKE you're C.I.A.!!!"

Lead singer of the rock band KISS to HRFF at a luggage carousel at SeaTac airport circa 1996

"Unlike you, I use words people can understand." Doc

"America at the moment, with its faith-based currency, faith-based economy and faith-based government, might be a heaven for those who love faith, but it's a hell for those of us that respect evidence." The Daily (W?)Reckoning, circa 9-17-04

"What should be clear at this point is that even huge fiscal stimulus and unprecedented financial excess are incapable of fostering a sound and self-sustaining economic expansion. The paramount issue, today and going forward, is the deeply maladjusted U.S. economy and its increasing unresponsiveness to even enormous yet misdirected financial stimulus. Both the Financial Sphere and Economic Sphere are severely maladjusted." Doug Noland's Credit Bubble Bulletin, Aug 24 '04

"U.S. dollar purchasing power relies almost entirely on the difference between interest rates in Japan and the higher rates in the United States." Warren Pollock, Prudent Bear essay circa 9-04

"What about your replacements? the Children. What do we tell them when the whole thing caves in?" HyperTiger

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Posted 16 June 2003 - 02:10 AM

By hanging the laundry on the line... we, the sheeple, say "enough!" †

Somebody has to look out for us, right? I don't expect any time soon that the government would do it for us, do you? :D

If the sheeple are pissed at high fuel prices they should go after the real energy profiteers. Goverments probably skim far more in taxes and royalties, than the industry takes in profits. :P

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Posted 16 June 2003 - 03:19 AM

The beleive that people would throw out a government once it confiscades a part of their money or something is an honorable way to think, but i think against reality. If we say that in the 1930s the possession of gold was forbidden in the US who tells me now that government couldnt forbid NOT to invest into stocks? What else is your 401k thing? It is nothing else but a pure FORCED investment in the stockmarket!

I doubt not a single second that the japanese can do crazy things over there in nippon, ya know. Look what they do almost on a daily basis in the currency markets.

The japanese problem is a probelm of their society, BoJ is a part of the society. Their probelm is this "not to loose the face" thing, because of that BoJ intervenes like crazy chicks to defend yen agaisnt appreciation, normally marekt shopuld be stronger in the end, we will see.

Till today those kamikaze pilots and other WW2 veterans are heros in japan, pupils dont learn the 40s as a "bad part" of the japanese history and so on and on. Totally different in germany.

if ever the term somone has "two screws lose" fits, than it fits for the japanese, and because the worst thing for them is to lose their face i say

YOU LOSERS !!!!!!!

:lol:  :lol:  :lol:

It is true that the Education Ministry in Japan could benefit from a tsunami-like cleaning.

On the other hand, their rewritten history book was adopted by exactly one school for the mentally handicapped.

Most Japanese are very aware that the actions taken by the Japanese Imperial gov't before and during WW2 were wrong.

It is clear that your views of Japan comes from newspapers headlines rather than from having spent any time in the country itself.

Given German culture, the state of the German economy, and Germany's demographic future, it's surprising that you would be so eager throw stones.

Then again, perhaps not.

yes, my knowledge about japan is only from newspaper articles and books.

i thought it was clear that i was only joking when i said "loosers!", i guess like the british humor which many dont understand thee is also a german one, but tansk for the lesson, quite intersting to know that a german should better shut up and has not the right to make a bit fun about others.

it seems that the anti french-german media mafia has done a good job.

and what is the "given german culture"?

call me bratwurst if you want :lol:
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Posted 16 June 2003 - 04:59 AM

Natural gas is in a bull market.

This is the first serious commodity to "inflate" in reaction to Al Green's chronic lever pumping, Repo Blasting, money printing, etc.

Sorry but that is absolute nonsense.

The reason that natural gas prices are going up is that US supplies are incredibly tight caused by depletion of US wells and an alarming drop in yields as reservoirs decline.

To compound the situation the US market in its infinite wisdom has just caused the largest boom in construction of gas-fired power generation plant in history.

And since LNG terminals, pipelines and other infrastructure take years to permit and build the tightness in US NG prices is not going away in a hurry. But donít confuse that with anything related to financial reliquification.

#254 Fukui-san

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Posted 16 June 2003 - 07:30 AM

The beleive that people would throw out a government once it confiscades a part of their money or something is an honorable way to think, but i think against reality. If we say that in the 1930s the possession of gold was forbidden in the US who tells me now that government couldnt forbid NOT to invest into stocks? What else is your 401k thing? It is nothing else but a pure FORCED investment in the stockmarket!

I doubt not a single second that the japanese can do crazy things over there in nippon, ya know. Look what they do almost on a daily basis in the currency markets.

The japanese problem is a probelm of their society, BoJ is a part of the society. Their probelm is this "not to loose the face" thing, because of that BoJ intervenes like crazy chicks to defend yen agaisnt appreciation, normally marekt shopuld be stronger in the end, we will see.

Till today those kamikaze pilots and other WW2 veterans are heros in japan, pupils dont learn the 40s as a "bad part" of the japanese history and so on and on. Totally different in germany.

if ever the term somone has "two screws lose" fits, than it fits for the japanese, and because the worst thing for them is to lose their face i say

YOU LOSERS !!!!!!!

:lol::lol::lol:

It is true that the Education Ministry in Japan could benefit from a tsunami-like cleaning.

On the other hand, their rewritten history book was adopted by exactly one school for the mentally handicapped.

Most Japanese are very aware that the actions taken by the Japanese Imperial gov't before and during WW2 were wrong.

It is clear that your views of Japan comes from newspapers headlines rather than from having spent any time in the country itself.

Given German culture, the state of the German economy, and Germany's demographic future, it's surprising that you would be so eager throw stones.

Then again, perhaps not.

yes, my knowledge about japan is only from newspaper articles and books.

i thought it was clear that i was only joking when i said "loosers!", i guess like the british humor which many dont understand thee is also a german one, but tansk for the lesson, quite intersting to know that a german should better shut up and has not the right to make a bit fun about others.

it seems that the anti french-german media mafia has done a good job.

and what is the "given german culture"?

call me bratwurst if you want :lol:

I'm starting to get the impression that I'm dealing here with a 12 year old boy.
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But that's how all life is; at least that's how the particular way of life generally known as civilization is. Civilization consists in giving an innapropriate name to something and then dreaming what results from that. And in fact the false name and the true dream do create a new reality. The object really does become other, because we have made it so. We manufacture realities.

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#255 fxfox

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Posted 16 June 2003 - 09:58 AM

fukui,

ok i begin with adam and eve:

a part of the japanese culture is this "not to lose the face" thing, and if you want to bring someone in "rage" with that attitude you call him names, so i was only joking around, ok? I wasnt throwing stones.

It seems that you know a bit about germany. What do you think is the "given german culture"? I would really like to know.

Greetings from a german boy :)
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