soup Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 Doc: I see an add from jimmy jones cramer on the tio of this page, what is up with that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dustbowl Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 Month end, quarter end this week. Not much will happen on the downside. Waiting, waiting, waiting, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longOnUranus Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 Month end, quarter end this week. Not much will happen on the downside. Waiting, waiting, waiting, I suppose if they devalued the dollar we could get a drop, but it would be spun bullish for equities fairly quickly, after the T-bond exodus. There is much going on in the world, yet earily quiet in the markets. More like a lot of people holding their collective breaths than distraction due to manic Souther Cal cluster parties. I don't think they'll wait until after the election to exhale. Either Shrub or Kerry will have to have a big shovel to dig through manure pile, growing daily. The election is irrelevant. Devaluation = no more Fukui stick saves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterfield 8 Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 holy cow, agent. maybe I should call my bank in Switzerland tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The End Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 TPINX. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian4 Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 Nikkei opened up 25 points and fell off a cliff and dropped 125 now down 100. On Dollar devaluation it is hard for them to spin it positive the interest cost on the deficit will soar to the moon adding to the deficit and rates will have to move up or no one will buy the paper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The End Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 If they do agree to devalue the doo-lar, it will becuase the US wants it. They have wanted it for the last two years. It will drop further. It is the only way we will be able to pay the creditors back. (if we do) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The End Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 What is the definition of inflation? We might see deflation first or not but, inflation will rip eventually. I know the definition. Newbies, look it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWD Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 Can the U.S. government decree a falling (or more rapidly falling) dollar without some cooperation from trading partner states? I recall reading that, in the '30s, there was a pattern of "competitive devaluations" in which nations refused to acquiesce in devaluations decreed by other nations and everyone tried to make their currency cheaper against everyone elses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 What is the definition of inflation? We might see deflation first or not but, inflation will rip eventually. I know the definition. Newbies, look it up. Got gold? / got silver?/ Take delivery! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiding Bear Posted September 27, 2004 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 Nikkei opened up 25 points and fell off a cliff and dropped 125 now down 100. On Dollar devaluation it is hard for them to spin it positive the interest cost on the deficit will soar to the moon adding to the deficit and rates will have to move up or no one will buy the paper. That's about right - the bond market would not be a winner. Japan and China would have less need to intervene, and would buy less Treasuries. The IMF is coming to the realization, like in the article I posted last Tuesday, that the current account (trade + interest payments) situation of the US is hopeless - already running a deficit of more than $600 billion per year (i.e. the US must borrow that much from other countries). The question is not whether the dollar will fall but when. They are attempting to front run this with a controlled devaluation of the dollar. I mentioned last year then would eventually become official policy last year - it's just a matter of time before the Treasury or even AG starts suggesting a devaluation would be acceptable. Keeping in theme with the IMF's blatant move to push the US towards inflation, they are also thinking of issuing new "SDRs". To oversimplify, essentialy SDRs are money issued by the IMF. Just think of it as another central bank issuing fiat money. If both the devaluation and SDR issuance transpire, gold and silver will be on a rocket ride and may never see the current levels again. When the International Monetary Fund meets next week in Washington, it is hoping to persuade the U.S. to approve its no-strings-attached, multi-billion-dollar foreign aid expansion. If that sounds odd at a time when U.S. resources are already stretched, wait until you see the list of beneficiaries. The new IMF financing would make Iran eligible for a total of $465 million, Syria would be entitled to $90 million, Robert Mugabe's Zimbabwe $115 million and Sudan $100 million. Oil-rich, authoritarian Venezuela would have $840 million and the gentle junta running Burma $80 million. The proposal, launched in 1997 by the Clinton Administration and Britain, is about increasing the "special drawing rights" pool at the Fund. SDRs, which are paper receipts that can be exchanged for real money, originated under the gold standard as a liquidity tool for balance of payments shortfalls. Ostensibly, the new SDRs would restore equity in the Fund since some new members have never received any SDRs and others' share of the world economy has grown. But as Mr. Lerrick notes, these goals could have been met by a reallocation of existing SDRs. Which presents its own problems. First, despite the rhetoric, SDRs are not free money created out of thin air. They are receipts that borrowers bring to the window to be redeemed, usually for dollars, euros or yen. Equally egregious is the lack of accountability in SDR accounting. SDRs are supposed to be "borrowed," but formal IMF policy states that they are distributed without condition and without any expectation of repayment. http://search.ft.com/search/article.html?i...arch&state=Form Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian4 Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 Further to HB's post and my earlier one, If I was an American...now would be the time to move some $ not only into Canadian, Aussie or Swiss currencies but also a time to do what the Sun did and open a Bank account in Canada which you can denominate in either Canadian or U.S. $'s and certainly Canadian $'s would be the one to hold. In the last U.S. devaluation in the 70's a $ Canadian was worth $1.35 U.S. Also there is a good chance currency controls will be imposed to stop what I just described-i.e. the flow of money out of the U.S. to safe havens because as money flows out the $ drops even more. The other thing to be aware of in a devaluation is that import prices will rise drastically as more $'s are required to buy them. The flip side is the price of U.S. exports will drop making them more competitive in the World marketplace. The sad part is aside from Airliners and Foodstuffs the U.S. doesn't export much, all the manufacturing has been moved to China. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWD Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 Exchange controls. Thought occurs to me that fedgov could pressure US holders of foreign accounts to surrender them for dollars. Or could pressure foreign governments to relinquish them to US government. Something along the lines of the "Litvinov assignment" pursuant to which US surrendered financial assets of expropriated Russian companies to the Bolshevik government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConfusedAssRev1 Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 Does 20% devaluation of US Dollar imply $60 oil ($48/.8)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shebear Posted September 27, 2004 Report Share Posted September 27, 2004 agent, The link doesn't work. I just got Larry T. He hints that Prechter could be correct about his long term call. The one about SPX at sub 500? or something like that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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