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#166 depends

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Posted 12 April 2004 - 11:11 PM

Found a bullish key reversal on HMY which
I doubled my position in today. Buyers are
comming in.

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Posted 12 April 2004 - 11:33 PM

Some backgrounder on the Arabian areas after Turkey's defeat in WWI.



HISTORY BOMB: Putting our current Iraqi troubles in perspective:

"The people of England have been led in Mesopotamia into a trap from which it will be hard to escape with dignity and honour. They have been tricked into it by a steady withholding of information. The Baghdad communiques are belated, insincere, incomplete. Things have been far worse than we have been told, our administration more bloody and inefficient than the public knows. It is a disgrace to our imperial record, and may soon be too inflamed for any ordinary cure. We are to-day not far from a disaster.

The sins of commission are those of the British civil authorities in Mesopotamia (especially of three 'colonels') who were given a free hand by London. They are controlled from no Department of State, but from the empty space which divides the Foreign Office from te India Office. They availed themselves of the necessary discretion of war-time to carry over their dangerous independence into times of peace. They contest every suggestion of real self- government sent them from home. A recent proclamation about autonomy circulated with unction from Baghdad was drafted and published out there in a hurry, to forestall a more liberal statement in preparation in London, 'Self-determination papers' favourable to England were extorted in Mesopotamia in 1919 by official pressure, by aeroplane demonstrations, by deportations to India.

The Cabinet cannot disclaim all responsibility. They receive little more news than the public: they should have insisted on more, and better. They have sent draft after draft of reinforcements, without enquiry. When conditions became too bad to endure longer, they decided to send out as High commissioner the original author of the present system, with a conciliatory message to the Arabs that his heart and policy have completely changed.*

Yet our published policy has not changed, and does not need changing. It is that there has been a deplorable contrast between our profession and our practice. We said we went to Mesopotamia to defeat Turkey. We said we stayed to deliver the Arabs from the oppression of the Turkish Government, and to make available for the world its resources of corn and oil. We spent nearly a million men and nearly a thousand million of money to these ends. This year we are spending ninety-two thousand men and fifty millions of money on the same objects.

Our government is worse than the old Turkish system. They kept fourteen thousand local conscripts embodied, and killed a yearly average of two hundred Arabs in maintaining peace. We keep ninety thousand men, with aeroplanes, armoured cars, gunboats, and armoured trains. We have killed about ten thousand Arabs in this rising this summer. We cannot hope to maintain such an average: it is a poor country, sparsely peopled; but Abd el Hamid would applaud his masters, if he saw us working. We are told the object of the rising was political, we are not told what the local people want. It may be what the Cabinet has promised them. A Minister in the House of Lords said that we must have so many troops because the local people will not enlist. On Friday the Government announce the death of some local levies defending their British officers, and say that the services of these men have not yet been sufficiently recognized because they are too few (adding the characteristic Baghdad touch that they are men of bad character). There are seven thousand of them, just half the old Turkish force of occupation. Properly officered and distributed, they would relieve half our army there. Cromer controlled Egypt's six million people with five thousand British troops; Colonel Wilson fails to control Mesopotamia's three million people with ninety thousand troops.

We have not reached the limit of our military commitments. Four weeks ago the staff in Mesopotamia drew up a memorandum asking for four more divisions. I believe it was forwarded to the War Office, which has now sent three brigades from India. If the North-West Frontier cannot be further denuded, where is the balance to come from? Meanwhile, our unfortunate troops, Indian and British, under hard conditions of climate and supply, are policing an immense area, paying dearly every day in lives for the wilfully wrong policy of the civil administration in Baghdad. General Dyer was relieved of his command in India for a much smaller error, but the responsibility in this case is not on the Army, which has acted only at the request of the civil authorities. The War Office has made every effort to reduce our forces, but the decisions of the Cabinet have been against them.

The Government in Baghdad have been hanging Arabs in that town for political offences, which they call rebellion. The Arabs are not at war with us. Are these illegal executions to provoke the Arabs to reprisals on the three hundred British prisoners they hold? And, if so, is it that their punishment may be more severe, or is it to persuade our other troops to fight to the last?

We say we are in Mesopotamia to develop it for the benefit of the world. All experts say that the labour supply is the ruling factor in its development. How far will the killing of ten thousand villagers and townspeople this summer hinder the production of wheat, cotton, and oil? How long will we permit millions of pounds, thousands of Imperial troops, and tens of thousands of Arabs to be sacrificed on behalf of colonial administration which can benefit nobody but its administrators?"
A Report on Mesopotamia By Ex.-Lieut.-Col. T.E. Lawrence ["Lawrence of Arabia"], August 22, 1920, Sunday Times.

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Posted 13 April 2004 - 12:01 AM

18,000 is roughly a division....6000-7000 of those are fvcked for life...either Mentally or physically with lost limbs...Of the 400,000+ personal that have served in the Gulf since 1991...250,000 are on disability...I'd say if you join the US military you have a 5-10% chance of surviving without any damage...

The actual death toll is around 2000+ soldiers killed...The Draft recieved a huge budget increase in 2003 and 20,000 people were hired...It is slated to be fully operational in early 2005...

There was great Joy in Germany when France fell...But there was no way to stop what had started...

Same sort of problem is here now...It is started already...how can it be stopped? Ultimately total annihilation of all opposition to the policy of total annihilation...

You all must be commited to the policy of total annihilation or you will be a target for annihilation...

Kerry is no saviour or alternative...

Reguardless of who is the leader...when the system implodes the kid gloves will fly off and draconianism will reign supreme...

It will run until exaustion sets in and society collapses under the strain...then it will get even worse...

Then the powers will finally realize they are doomed and the situation will become depraved beyond current abilities to comprehend...

A massive killathon is coming...You will either report to disintergration chamber 2934 or you will be forced to report...there will be no choice...
"We are completely dependant on the commercial banks. Someone has to borrow every dollar we have in circulation, cash or credit. If the banks create ample synthetic money (at the request of the consumer) we are prosperous; if not, we starve. We are absolutely without a permanent money system.... It is the most important subject intelligent persons can investigate and reflect upon. It is so important that our present civilization may collapse unless it becomes widely understood and the defects remedied very soon." --Robert H. Hemphill, Atlanta Federal Reserve Bank,1938...

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Posted 13 April 2004 - 12:03 AM

DJ Chinese Men Released By Iraqi Captors Mull Business Plans

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BEIJING (AP)--Seven Chinese men kidnapped by gunmen in Iraq have been released in good spirits and some of them want to forge ahead with plans to open a construction business there despite their ordeal, the government said Tuesday.

The announcement that the men were released and turned over to Chinese diplomats came hours before the arrival in Beijing of U.S. Vice President Dick Cheney, removing a potentially thorny issue during a visit expected to focus on Iraq.

The men were captured Sunday in the city of Fallujah, west of Baghdad, after entering Iraq from Jordan and were released late Monday to an Iraqi religious group, the Foreign Ministry said. They were then passed on to diplomats.

"Their health and spirits are good," the brief Foreign Ministry statement said.

The men went to Iraq on their own to start a construction materials business - a venture some of them were still "determined to open" despite their harrowing experience, the official Xinhua News Agency said.

After their release, the men were staying with the Chinese owner of a Baghdad restaurant.
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Posted 13 April 2004 - 12:04 AM

Depends old stick-if you don't have flash backs -you weren't there-ask MH-I will support him! We are all recovering aren't WE??????? ;)

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Posted 13 April 2004 - 01:01 AM

The truck driver was on news footage tonight - looks terrified and very sad. Charlie Rose discussion of solutions for Iraq with Joe Klein and a dude from LA Times - then Kissinger on Lou Dobbs. Klein says he has never seen this before but literally nobody in Washington sees a way out of this. Klein says fire cheney, Rice and Rummy. But Cheney is the pres, so that's not an option. Kiss said three state solution is the last resort - should be the first resort in my opinion. Iraq is not a country, it is three states and should be treated as a union of three states.

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Posted 13 April 2004 - 01:19 AM

It is still possible for US President George W. Bush to escape from
Iraq before it destroys his re-election bid. It is also still possible for
Iraq to emerge from all this as a more or less democratic and united
country, though that will be trickier. Both things depend on the same man:
Mr Bush's chief political adviser, Karl Rove, has to break the stranglehold
of the neo-cons who surround the president and persuade him that to save
his presidency he must ditch their policy.

There is no sign of it happening yet, and time is running out.

Escape From Iraq



Nope. If Bush pulls away from the neocons, they will attack him viciously in the press. He will be crucified by them, because they are blood thirsty maniacs. He is damned either way. But he will win--with another stolen election--electronic voting machines. And remember that many people still love the loser. My fellow Texans are naive or stupid for loving him, but there it is. My mother has a damned picture of him hanging on her refrigerator, despite my presentation of overwhelming evidence demonstrating his infernal, thieving, lying, murdering nature. She's working for his re-election campaigh. How embarassing is that?

Like I've said before, there is a willful obtuseness in the face of facts afoot in this country...a willingness of people to blind themselves to inconvenient facts. An embracing of self-delusion. It is evident in this insane echo bubble in overvalued RE and stocks, the willingness to invade Iraq on an obviously false(to some of us) pretext, and it is evident in the nation's politics. How else could any honest person think of Kerry as an alternative to the Chimpboy. The embracing of these self-delusions will destroy the U.S. Could be sooner rather than later.

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Posted 13 April 2004 - 02:23 AM

But he will win

Nope ;)

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Posted 13 April 2004 - 03:46 AM

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Posted 13 April 2004 - 04:02 AM

But he will win

Nope ;)

Ultimately it does not matter...The master plan will not be affected...It is a divide and conquer sideshow at best...The absolute capitalists have complete control of both party organizations...

The only thing that will destroy the master plan is it's own logical flaws...

Basically like all master plans which over the past 6000 years of recorded civilization have been almost exact carbon copies they will self destruct...

There is nothing new...all these absolute capitalist concepts have been tried 100's of times and they fail every time...

It is like building a house out of toothpicks and claiming it can survive a hurricane...

We live in a house of lies and it is only a matter of time until the hurricane of truth reveals it...
"We are completely dependant on the commercial banks. Someone has to borrow every dollar we have in circulation, cash or credit. If the banks create ample synthetic money (at the request of the consumer) we are prosperous; if not, we starve. We are absolutely without a permanent money system.... It is the most important subject intelligent persons can investigate and reflect upon. It is so important that our present civilization may collapse unless it becomes widely understood and the defects remedied very soon." --Robert H. Hemphill, Atlanta Federal Reserve Bank,1938...

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Posted 13 April 2004 - 04:17 AM

Ultimately it does not matter...

True enough, HT. But it sure will feel good to see these thugs slapped down. B)

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Posted 13 April 2004 - 06:53 AM

Unfortunately while out to dinner Sun. night I made the mistake of making a passing remark about the gross ineptitude and criminality of our fearless leader.

To my surprise this time I was attacked sharply by my brother in law who by the way is busy arranging to move his business from NY to Fla. and who has bought not one house to live in but 3 additional lots because the developement is in Phase 3 and of course the lots should be worth a whole lot more any minute now.

His attack focused on the factoid that John Kerry's wifes company made ketchup outside the US :blink: and that Kerry was therefore an A-Hole and Bush was to be worshipped and the middle east was to be nuked and real estate was to go to the moon forever.

Perhaps I am a little dense but I had a hard time extrapolating the same conclusions out of the ketchup comment.

Regardless my brother in law is the poster child for the continuation of the war rally

And I am back to thinking that a war rally of some sort is all we are looking at.

Except that judging by the type of stocks that are going up 60%-------200% per dayI think the market is telling us that the war is coming here in a very in your face kinda way.

There is a real bloodlust taking hold here Seemingly reasonable people are acting and sounding like they are in occupied territory right here on Long Island.A lotta big talk. Military jargon is quite commonplace and the mood seems to be that the Sunnis and Shiites and whomever and whatever are the reason there is strife and disagreement here in America. Most of the folks I talk to are all in favor of killing them allmen women and children.. Not that any of these folks have ever seen a dead body ------or created one.

The irony is of course that without the war we may very well have been at Dow 6000 by now

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Posted 13 April 2004 - 08:30 AM

The Pentagon is a key component of the debt inflationary engine...Real estate is the primary engine though...when it craters the Pentagon will be all that's left...
"We are completely dependant on the commercial banks. Someone has to borrow every dollar we have in circulation, cash or credit. If the banks create ample synthetic money (at the request of the consumer) we are prosperous; if not, we starve. We are absolutely without a permanent money system.... It is the most important subject intelligent persons can investigate and reflect upon. It is so important that our present civilization may collapse unless it becomes widely understood and the defects remedied very soon." --Robert H. Hemphill, Atlanta Federal Reserve Bank,1938...

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Posted 13 April 2004 - 08:47 AM

The reason for the seeming complicity of your relatives and mine with respect to siding with Bush in the invasion of Iraq is quite simply our need for the oil. We all know that the country runs on it and we want as much of it as we can get our hands on as cheaply as possible.

There is a collective denial of the truth of this war, but it is known even by those who would deny it. The truth is that our country actually does need the oil, as we have built an entire society around a non-renewable resource. We've known this day would eventually come, when demand outstrips supply, and now we can see it more clearly. It is merely convenient to ignore the realities of how we go about getting our hands on the oil we need to keep this party going. Nobody wants to spend more for it, and nobody wants to use less of it. We've been on a leaderless path for decades in this regard...with politicians telling their constuencies not what they needed to hear for their long-term well being, but what they wanted to hear - in order to facilitate their next term in office.

"Eat more, drink more, take more drugs, buy a bigger house and burn more oil." These are the messages that have been drilled into the heads of American's for the past ten years.

Detroit is notorious for bringing to market precisely the wrong products at precisely the worst time. Is it any wonder then that the most oversized, gas-guzzling vehicles all hit the market last year...the same year that they tabled the development of hybrid vehicles and we invaded Iraq?

The wisest leaders among us cannot be elected. The American people would never elect someone who told them the truth about the condition of this country, nor would business leaders tolerate it.

As I was told recently by someone deep inside the Matrix - in a position to know:

"We just want you to go on about your life and be happy...go to your jobs, raise your children...and don't worry about the big stuff..we'll take care of that."

This is the same person who said:

"Nothing is as it appears."

The arrrogance of it all.

Don Imus said on his show this morning that he thought Donald Rumsfeld was a "war criminal."

Things are going to get ugly...very ugly.





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