RockLedge Posted November 4, 2004 Report Share Posted November 4, 2004 Mars- the hole in your argument is that although demand here and in Europe is growing slowly, supply is falling when you add in sky rocketing demand in India and China then you have the problem. China is taking 2 million barrels a day they did not take last year, India 1.6 Million a day. The crisis is indeed real. Tanker day rates are up 38 Grand over a year ago and are fully booked. Canada is pumping flat out and has more BUT the pipelines are at capacity 24-7. The next shoe to drop is when Martin tells Bush to back off on the illegal tariffs and uses the Oil or NG word. I've noticed that the Natural Gas I'm buring right now, ain't worth a turd & I'm paying top dollah for it. 2 years ago, our plant had a hard time with the some of the furnances. That's one thing gets me about gas companies,..IMO, they are obligated to provide some sort of commitment to quality & purity. Strip out a little of this,.. and maybe just a little of that and were talking a noticable difference in BTU content. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dozer Posted November 4, 2004 Report Share Posted November 4, 2004 cheerfully violating Rule 5, respecting #6?. Not long ago, thought you were TOO cynical, Dozer. Beginning to see you?re not in the least? oh wonmug my brother, with the horrors we are witness to today...how could a guy be TOO cynical ?? Naw, I'm no cynic. Hell, I'm the ultimate optimist...I just keep on keepin' on. Sheesh....every morning, I open my eyes, and there's Mrs. Dozer! Truth and beauty and love right there in front of my eyes! Now that's some fertile ground for optimism. wonmug, I am an absolutely focused factual realist. I could care less about dearly-held notions, fad-causes, religions, traditions, do-gooding, blah blah blah. I am so sick of all of it. If it doesn't work...toss it out! If it does work...adopt it! And for god's sake, take responsibility for one's own actions. That's my whole philosophy in a nutshell. And it's why -both- of the herds rage at me... If it makes ya feel any better wonmug, I drive all our "conservative" friends nuts too...always callin' em on -their- provably false dearly-held notions...you'd love it :grin: Nowadays tho, when I show up here, I definitely take B4's warnings to heart! "Helmet on! Buckle up! " :lol: (tanks to Brian for his tolerance, as well as his good humour) night all....today has wiped me out....peace to all stoolies...but if that doesn't work, duck and cover! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dozer Posted November 4, 2004 Report Share Posted November 4, 2004 wonmug, ps; 'libertarian fallacy' Sort of.... I've always been bothered by libertarianism being presented as an -economic- system; like "capitalism" or "socialism". Seems mis-categorized to me. Should be listed under "philosophy of personal behaviour" or something . I think there's something wrong with extending a -personal- philosphy into the realm of corporations etc.. But I've never found a better daily-life approach than libertarianism. To me, that's the -heart- of it. Any extension to biz matters is icing, if it works. Of course, just as with "liberalism", who the hell knows what a guy actually -means- when he uses the term! night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Icky Twerp Posted November 4, 2004 Report Share Posted November 4, 2004 When I was in college I tho't I was an anarchist. When I needed a job, I tho't I became a Libertarian. There's really only a shade of difference between 'em, if you see that the political spectrum is not a linear array, with polar opposites, but rather a circle, where there can be gray areas of blurred distinction between Anarchist and Liberal, Liberal and Conservative, Conservative and Libertarian, Libertarian and Anarchist. From the Anarchist & Libertarian corners, Liberal and Conservative look the same, que no? The greay area between Liberal and Conservative is called by today's parlance, A Moderate. The greay area between Anarchism and Libertarianism, is called Stoolietown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Icky Twerp Posted November 4, 2004 Report Share Posted November 4, 2004 On the other hand, Ickster, what if it's a double top and rolls over? OMIGOD! You're trying to have a TA discussion with Icky! You Fool! Everybody knows I don't know TA, but only believe in the KWinter like Oral believes in 600 foot tall Jesuses. But - I would say that "Tops are Rounded". BWTFDIK. I tho't y'all'd gon't'bed, anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wonmug Posted November 4, 2004 Report Share Posted November 4, 2004 ...There's really only a shade of difference between 'em, if you see that the political spectrum is not a linear array, with polar opposites, but rather a circle, where there can be gray areas of blurred distinction between Anarchist and Liberal, Liberal and Conservative, Conservative and Libertarian, Libertarian and Anarchist. From the Anarchist & Libertarian corners, Liberal and Conservative look the same, que no? The greay area between Liberal and Conservative is called by today's parlance, A Moderate. The greay area between Anarchism and Libertarianism, is called Stoolietown. :grin: Nothing's linear or even circular, with the right meds.... I'm liking Dozers "... libertarianism .... Should be listed under "philosophy of personal behaviour" or something" "The greay area between Anarchism and Libertarianism, is called Stoolietown." Ah, a light dawns Watch the splelling, tho- left out the 's'.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The brown one Posted November 4, 2004 Report Share Posted November 4, 2004 One of the problems with corps as "natural persons" is not only can they become unnaturally wealthy and powerful,they do not necessarily obey the laws of nature and become "corpses" as all natural persons do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 4, 2004 Report Share Posted November 4, 2004 yesterday tom dachele got his walking papers # one NRA target gone The man who unseated Daschle in the pheasant hunting bastion of the world...South Dakota, used the following line to open his acceptance speech: "I've had to put off a few things that I truly love to do during the last couple weeks of this campaign, and now that it's over, I've got a date with my shotgun." How's that for thanking the NRA for getting you elected? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 4, 2004 Report Share Posted November 4, 2004 If Rove is the Architect, and the race was bound to be tight, would he have attempted to influence the early exit polls to get them posted on Drudge in order to generate more participation among Republicans and less urgency among Democrats? Who knows? plunger, i was at work yesterday and saw drudge with the exit poll info and said to everyone in the room "dont believe that, he's misleading." i wonder. r If Rove was going to utilize an Election Day Internet Strategy to get out the vote for his man, why would he not select Drudge as the delivery vehicle? Did Drudge pay for access to the polling data, or was it leaked to him? Given Rove's "Master Strategist" credentials, should we assume that he would have failed to consider an Internet Strategy for the day of the election? If you knew there was to be an exit poll at a particular location, and you knew the universe of participants would total 1,000 (both easily learned) - over a three hour period, how many total people would you need to send in the direction of the pollsters to proclaim that they had just cast a vote for Kerry in order to significantly corrupt the polling results? 50 young purported Kerry voters? What proof does a pollster have that the person being interviewed even lives in that precinct, let alone cast a vote? Following wide dissemination of the early polling results - the news media took the bait and ran with it, showing long lines at polling places and proclaiming that Kerry had a commanding lead thanks to the "youth vote." Yet close-ups revealed that those standing in long lines were actually 50 years old on average. Would such a proclamation serve to keep the "youth vote" at home because they were apparently not needed? Would it serve to spark a generational backlash to get out the religious senior citizens? Yup. Did Rove manufacture his own get-out-the-vote reality? Hell, who knows? Sometimes Conspiracy Theories can best be explained via logic. If this was not Rove's Internet Strategy for election day, what was? In thanking his Campaign team, Bush simply proclaimed Rove: "The Architect" Indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterfield 8 Posted November 4, 2004 Report Share Posted November 4, 2004 Plunger - of course he did. they stole the election. Americans do not want to take responsibility for their lives, so they don't care that the election was stolen.. they want to be children . one day they will regret this. much more than we, who see what is coming. they are clueless, believe lies because it makes them feel better. when we are officially enslaved and Americans are killing each other for food and fuel, they will blame it on bin Ladin, or Putin, or china, and they will say 'nobody could have known'. the same way they said 'nobody could have known' there were no wmds in Iraq. while 100 million people worldwide marched in the streets begging them not to do it, apparantly knowing there were no wmds in Iraq. they are a nation of children who utterly refuse responsibility for their actions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Butterfield 8 Posted November 4, 2004 Report Share Posted November 4, 2004 $ at 84.55 Doc said " let's wait and see what happens at 84.50" so what happens at 84.50 If it does not bounce here, we are broke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machinehead Posted November 4, 2004 Report Share Posted November 4, 2004 $ at 84.55 Doc said " let's wait and see what happens at 84.50" so what happens at 84.50 If it does not bounce here, we are broke. Now it's 84.48 with low print overnight of 84.44. Dollah index quote "We have breakdown, Captain." "Aye, Aye. Dive, Dive ... into the vasty Deep!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 4, 2004 Report Share Posted November 4, 2004 Butterfield: They mostly don't know or acknowledge that they are being gamed or lied to. One of the toughest things for humans to do is admit that they were duped. How many senior citizens are ripped off in telephone scams every day, bilked out of their life savings, yet never report it because they are ashamed or afraid to admit it? Rove understands human nature. If you look for the lies and the strategies behind them, they are fairly easy to spot. When a "story" gets too good, and coincidentally happens to fit too many other realities simultaneously, it's safe to assume there is an architect at work manufacturing the story, building it around known variables to give it a logical basis in reality. The WMD example was a classic Rovian case. You could see the story build on a weekly basis. With every passing week that the UN failed to sanction Cheney's invasion of Iraq, the claims and the "evidence" to back them up became ever more outrageous, to the point where the Iraqis would be launching a fleet of unmanned drones off the coast of the US (presumeably from their fleet of aircraft carriers?) to drop nuclear bombs on us. Why were these claims not greeted with raucous laughter in the halls of Congress? What could be more ridiculous? The raucous laughter was actually heard in the White House strategy room when the world "bought it." I question every single word that I hear in the media and out of this White House. If you always asssume they are lying with a purpose, you can usually figure out where the TRUTH LIES. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 4, 2004 Report Share Posted November 4, 2004 Arafat in critical condition: aides www.chinaview.cn 2004-11-04 19:02:23 PARIS, Nov. 4 (Xinhuanet) -- Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat has been in a coma for several hours and now in critical condition, Arafat's senior aides said on Thursday. http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2004-11/...ent_2178112.htm Are we to assume that the passing of Arafat due to an undiagnosable deadly condition will not have major ramifications in the Middle East? Is the timing merely coincidental? Mayhem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 4, 2004 Report Share Posted November 4, 2004 Rove has managed to paint the Democratic Party as anti-religion...and the media bought it, and it stuck. The sheeple believe that we are in a holy war for our very survival, and "you are either with us or against us." Onward Christian Soldiers is the Republican's campaign theme song. Democrats cannot regain the middle of the country without the church. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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