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I guess when the going gets tough it's just easiest to run away. Personally if I were a prospective host country, I might wonder if one was running away from the country of their birth, just how deep is the committment to me? Probably about as deep as a cigarette paper.

 

This country is not lost yet. Yes, it's damn close and the next few years will be very telling. This country afforded me the opportunity to become who I am. I am not prepared to abandon ship at this point, and I am willing to fight for what I believe in. I also believe I am not alone on this issue.

 

What if those of us willing to fight and make change accomplish the goal of returning this country to it's Constitutional base? Realistically let's face it; we're talking basically a revolution either at the polls or otherwise. But let's assume for the moment that success is achieved. I don't know if I would feel too kindly to those that ran away if for some reason they now decided that the grass was greener on this side of the fence again, after those that stayed had done the difficult thing.

 

Inumerable times I have witnessed Californians move into this state, and for a variety of reasons decide a few years later that they want to go back to where they came from. Most often expressed causes are our "backward" ways, our conservative leanings (honest, we do have over 100 Democrats in this state :lol: ) and weather.

 

If things go as I suspect, there are going to be damned few places on this planet that don't suffer some consequences of the coming credit implosion. How any government might respond to that situation is unknowable. Property rights are frequently questionable in many countries. In the event of a "crisis" the host country just might decide to sieze everything the visiting ex-pats have. Why would they care? You're just some dumb American not a citizen.

 

No thanks, I'll stay and take my chances where I know the country and the people around me.

 

I find it almost hysterical that the FBI is investigating mortgage fraud at the request of the lenders. That's a bit like calling the DEA to complain about the theft of 2 kilos of coke. These investigations might well uncover an awful lot of things the lenders wish had remained hidden. Bank - "Look this appraisal was obviously a fraud to obtain a loan." FBI " Well you seem to have used this appraiser a lot over the last 5 years - do you think we should assume that all of his appraisals were phony? In talking to the appraiser it seems he has felt pressured to match the appraisal to the loan request or risk being shut out of the business." Bank- " Uh no, I'm sorry but we made a mistake. Forget we called."

 

In reviewing the macro situation and thinking about the market's reactions over the past few months, I'm afraid I have to conclude that no signifcant fall in the markets will be allowed until at least after the election. We will soon be at quarter end so we have the inevitable tape painting coming. Earnings expectations are rapidly being lowered so the bar can easily be tripped over for the inevitable glowing headlines soon to arrive with Q3 earnings and we have the invisible hand at the ready to prevent anything from getting out of hand. Manipulation will not succeed in the long run, but in the meantime it works until it quits working.

 

Where's the dollar crash? Where's the 5%+ yields on the 10 year? Unless you're fond of blue, I wouldn't hold my breath. I also don't think gold is going anywhere for a while. In fact. IMO, everything seems range bound for the time being.

 

Will Al raise rates? The markets think so and since the fed can only follow, they probably will once again nudge them up .25% regardless of the economic reality. To do otherwise would send out a set of very confused signals to a jittery market, and I don't think they will risk that. Of course raising rates will have a very real economic impact that this economy can ill afford. At this stage I think Al is working with an pneumatic nailer and though he is trying to carefully squeeze off one round at a time, I think he'll find this next attempt will have his nailer stuck on automatic fire and end up sealing the coffin premanently. Go ahead Al make my day.

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Commentator Joseph Sobran offered a Stoolish insight in one of his columns --

 

An economist has calculated that your chance of being killed in an accident on the way to the polls exceeds the probability that your vote will determine the election.

 

Huh. I always intuitively sensed that democracy was futile ... now 'science' confirms that it's dangerous too. :lol:

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I'm thinking of leaving, and one of the reasons is a moral/ethical one. I do not wish to expend my energy and labor inside a country whose govt uses its tax revenue to build murder machines and send troops and spooks around the globe to murder women and children. That reason alone is enough to leave, IMO. If I leave, I will not be returning, either. I've been to enough foreign countries to know that the U.S. is not number 1. It is merely another country among the top tier of countries. As the old Italian man said in Catch-22, "you've got it backwards, it's better to live on your feet than die on your knees."

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I don't know if I would feel too kindly to those that ran away if for some reason they now decided that the grass was greener on this side of the fence again, after those that stayed had done the difficult thing.

yobob - While I agree with you in principle, I don't think the issue is quite that simple. As a parent, I view my #1 responsibility as protecting my children from harm and providing them with as much opportunity for success and happiness as possible. I don't think I could live with myself if I allowed my boys to be drafted and killed or maimed in an offensive war that I believed was wrong.

 

Now, a justified war of defense - that is another thing entirely.

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I'm thinking of leaving, and one of the reasons is a moral/ethical one.  I do not wish to expend my energy and labor inside a country whose govt uses its tax revenue to build murder machines and send troops and spooks around the globe to murder women and children.  That reason alone is enough to leave, IMO.

One might also observe that though there were some internal resistance movements, the European fascism of the 1940s was decisively ended by an external invasion, assisted by some expatriates who had left their hijacked native countries to counter the usurper governments.

 

Nationalism can be an arbitrary and abstract construct. People have many valid reasons for living in many places in the world. It can't all be fit into a one-dimensional framework of "loyalty to the country of one's birth." We each have our role to play.

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hahahahahahahahahahah

 

click on the crash-o-meter link at the bottom, it links to past articles - soem great charts...

 

i feel none of the energy of the 1960's. the country is being taken back, at least part of it - its called aztlan :lol: . i may leave, i may stay, but it wont be becuase i was born here, it will be becuase i look around and make of conscious choice. right now in Cali, i dont like what i see and it sucks becuase im a Californicator by birth and i have it made here! if i live somewhere it will be becuase I WANT TO - i knew the minute i came back from studying japan that i shudda stayed.... it wasnt becuase i was chickenshit to stay in US, its becuase i really enjoyed living there... ill probably stay in US- i doubt it will be in Cali, but i can tell you for many retirees living abroad in places like ID may be their only chance for a comfortable retirement.

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"Although record-high oil prices have helped compensate for the production decline, industry anal cysts expect Iraq to bring in far less oil revenue than the $15 billion previously projected for the year.

 

As a result, U.S. taxpayers may be forced to make up for shortages in revenue that Pentagon officials once promised would cover much of the reconstruction costs."

 

How much worse would it be, if things weren't going well like Shrub claims?

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Yobob - the frustration for all of us is that inflation is raging in real daily expense terms, and there seems no way to invest to compensate. Oil is the only commodity they have not managed to suppress, interest on savings is non-existent, the gold price is suppressed, the euro is being held in place and the dollar fixed, and if you don't already own real estate from at least five years ago, it is way too late to go there. so what do we do now? there must be some inflating market they cannot control that will preserve capital, and I am dying for you to tell me what it is.

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hahahahahahahahahahah

 

i knew the minute i came back from studying Japan that i shudda stayed.... it wasnt becuase i was chickenshit to stay in US, its becuase i really enjoyed living there...

Buying Property in Japan

 

"The visa status dosnt matter at all. You sign a contract in Japanese and state on the contract the name and address of the buyer and seller, the properties data and the price. Thats all. No visa status required. The change of the property with this contract gets registred at the homukyoku to the name of the new owner, who from then on has to pay the taxes for the land etc. I bought a house, 6 pieces of land, build 2 more buildings and nobody asked me about my visa status. As long as you can pay when you sign a contract you get what you pay for. Registration at the homukyoku is normaly done by a professional, who can be a real estate agent but must not nessesary be a layer. You can also get information about the property at the homukyoku, former owners, size, any legal questions connected with the land etc. For this you need the banchi of the land. Its all there. More questions?"

 

Cheap.

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Link It was in the "Bag" right from the get-go-Hi-Hat good to see you back!

In the name of democracy and freedom, the US is subsudizing the entire Iraq government appartatus and infastructure. Without 'reconstruction' - and oil field improvements - it costs about $15 billion a year to run Iraq. Oil revenue would probably not even reach $15 billion per year without major improvements. Essentially the government of Iraq can not sustain itself without oil going to about $100 in current dollar terms.

 

Had the neocons worked in private industry, they would have been fired long ago for their terrible planning and predictions concering Iraq. Yet GWB has fired no one and has hardly cast any blame on those making the worse decisions.

 

This is more socialistic than anything even Kerry or Hillary can come up with.

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