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Posted 01 June 2004 - 12:08 AM
Kernel you are making an assumption that it will catch up with shrub one I agree with. What is beyond belief is that Lugar, Warner, McCain et al would sit and watch- Shrub trumps WaterGate-unless and until the Boyz tell the truth-Will they???l
Posted 01 June 2004 - 12:15 AM
For every young kid that comes back dead, three or four are coming back missing an arm or a leg, or even part of their brain. The process might be slow, but yes, it will catch up with the bushman. There is nothing romantic about dead kids and broken bodies and no matter how much the right wingnuts wave the flag, the public will stop buying the bullshit.
Posted 01 June 2004 - 12:42 AM
Yes. If one looks at the origins of the ME strategy from Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld,
it is tied back to the think tank activity at places like New American Century.
What I believe they concluded is that the rising risk of instablity in the region
was going to disrupt oil supplies to the industrialized nations and cause grave
economic problems and ultimately hurt the US. There plan was to use Iraq as
a staging ground and base to project power and stability in the region.
Unfortunately, this was a hideously flawed premise.
The war was proposed before Bush got into office. 911 was the perfect excuse
to use as motivation and justification. However, the administration knew they
had to "sell" the war so they searched for the most marketable reason to use
on the American public. WMD ended being the one that stuck (the most fear based).
Of course, it was toally bogus and the illegal OSP set up by Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz
and Cheney fed Bush and adminstration officials a healthy diet of bogus information to convince them that WMD were in Iraq and it was a slam dunk.
Even the honorable man and diplomat, Colin Powell, was used as a pawn to
peddle the bogus information to the UN. Sad, very sad.
I vividly remember being overseas in the Fall of 2002 and having my colleague
ask me if the US was going to war in Iraq. I said yes, but not yet. The administration
had to promote and sell the war to the public, in order to prep them for going in
in 2003. I hated being right about that.
It seems that think tanks objectives have totally inverted on them and that their
actions have caused a worsening stability problem at huge expense to the US
tax payer and US reputation. I fear this whole venture may go down as one of
the biggest boondoggles in history.
The Unilateral Utopians are dangerous and the media has probably turned on them.
Posted 01 June 2004 - 01:10 AM
fokkerI believe that humanity is subject to ideas the way that a field of wheat is subject to a strong wind. The 1st half of the 20th century wasn't a pretty time for most of our crop, with entire traditions of thought reaching their final expressions ad absurdum. What began as existential liberation in the hands of characters such as Kierkegaard and Schopenhauer wound up as group madness dividing families and the entire globe. Those winds are real- how else to explain the tide of ideas, even flukes like the conception of calculus simultaneously the same year in different countries? I suppose that any idea can be justified- but at some point you have to forget the pyramid of premises and just look in from outside objectively and say, "this is whack". Why they didn't in Germany at that time is beyond me, just like all the crazy shit today.
Your trope "pyramid of premises" is so apt;the pharaonic overtones of the "pyramids" conjoined with the begginings of Logic, premises, charecterises the modern age:enormous intellectual power but morally speaking so unwieldy that by the time someone has logically deduced whether i'm worth saving and throws me a lifebouy I've drowned--
Have you seen the advertisement showing a group of business people sitting around a luncheon table when of a sudden one of them begins choking on a piece of steak--immediately a discussion ensues with everyone pointing their forks with clinical accuracy and assesing how close the gagger is to choking to death --But no action is taken towards saving him--
And then astranger at the next table leaps up and gives him the Heimlich maneuver outpopping the suffocating piece of meat
Excluding the happy ending this is as good an illustration of youur "pyramid of premises " as can be gotten
beardrech--- Never ask a hero why he did what he did --he just did it and dont bully him into creating false reasons just so his miraculous behaviour can be explained in a manner just to satisfy ones sense of logic---Its theological more than merely logical
Posted 01 June 2004 - 01:30 AM
There was quite a topping process before cave in...9-11 sure was a good cover/scapegoat...for the collapse in debt inflationary growth...
Former CIA asset Osama must of been a genius right? what timing...
Keep hitting the snooze button...
"We are completely dependant on the commercial banks. Someone has to borrow every dollar we have in circulation, cash or credit. If the banks create ample synthetic money (at the request of the consumer) we are prosperous; if not, we starve. We are absolutely without a permanent money system.... It is the most important subject intelligent persons can investigate and reflect upon. It is so important that our present civilization may collapse unless it becomes widely understood and the defects remedied very soon." --Robert H. Hemphill, Atlanta Federal Reserve Bank,1938...
Posted 01 June 2004 - 04:46 AM
Afraid you are right,HT.
When in doubt--follow the money(debt)!
Posted 01 June 2004 - 04:50 AM
In the immortal words of Marie Antoinette "Let them eat cak"
Posted 01 June 2004 - 05:05 AM
Don't think so,he's been at it for some time.I'm sure he is very genuine in what he believes and publishes--but it all seems a bit paranoid to me--well a lot actually!Anybody know what's the story on this George Ure/Urban Survival?
If the linked site about the "snowball" is accurate,then that lump of heavenly crap is going to get rather close--2 million km is not far away!
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