Scully Posted December 20, 2002 Report Share Posted December 20, 2002 Check out this essay recently published at Prudent Bear. I find it scary. When all those foreigners discover that the debt they have been sold is really just toxic waste, the stampede for the exits will have an effect on the dollar and on the long bond rate that will truly be a sight to behold. And it sounds like we are getting real close to that "point of awakening", because they are running out of suckers to sell the debt to... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sigmoidoscope Posted December 20, 2002 Report Share Posted December 20, 2002 I read that last night. It is a great essay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roidrage Posted December 20, 2002 Report Share Posted December 20, 2002 I give it a high stool-factor for this: The writer is reminded of the first advice ever received on Chinese banking in the 1950's from an "old China hand." Having spent 30+ years in various postings under various regimes and absorbed the multi-millennia culture and it's long range imperative, he advised a callow banking apprentice on the 4 D's of Chinese banking. The wisdom received was as follows: beware the 4 D's; they will defalcate, they will default, they will defraud and, finally, they will defecate upon you! rr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Takachi Posted December 20, 2002 Report Share Posted December 20, 2002 great quote RR - and hence their great love of gold as currency! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldmember Posted December 20, 2002 Report Share Posted December 20, 2002 "Defecate" in the form of New Balance sneakers is tiddlywinks in comparison to the SEVEN semiconductor foundries coming on line in a world awash with overcapacity and under utilization already. The same example will apply to just about anything. Have you seen the new Chinese SUV's, and how long until they are at a showroom near you? CHEAP too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The End Posted December 21, 2002 Report Share Posted December 21, 2002 $12,000-15,000. We are wingohockingmoyamensinged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hypertiger Posted December 21, 2002 Report Share Posted December 21, 2002 THERE IS NOT GOING TO BE ENOUGH "FODDER" TO REACH THE NEEDED MULTI TRILLION OF "NEW" LOANS NEXT YEAR AND EVEN IF INGENUITY AND LACK OF DILIGENCE WERE TO GENERATE THE REQUISITE, THERE AREN'T ENOUGH SUCKERS WHO HAVE NOT ALREADY BEEN BURNT TO ABSORB THE EFFLUENT The hills are alive with the sound of music... "$12,000-15,000. We are wingohockingmoyamensinged." End what are you refering to, sorry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machinehead Posted December 21, 2002 Report Share Posted December 21, 2002 More on the China Bubble: "Reasonable estimates put bad loans at China's four biggest banks at 40 percent or more of gross domestic product. Bad debt at Japan's banks are about 10 percent of GDP. "If the financial system is malfunctioning and there is little access to fresh credit, China's growth could weaken. That is a huge risk for Beijing because slower output is the single biggest risk to stability in the word's most populous country." The banks from hell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldilocks Posted December 21, 2002 Report Share Posted December 21, 2002 What happens when the finances of 1 Billion people are put in jeopardy? Does the government assume responsibility and calmly explain the situation honestly and forthrightly to it's citizens? Or does it devolve into a panic of blamemanship? Does it seek to distract the populace? If so, what historically, are the means to do so? I have been warning everyone I know for some time that on a 'strategery' basis we must fear the Chinese. They are a force unlike any ever faced by the United States. They are numerically superior. They are technologically not that far behind. They are armed to the teeth. They have an industrial capacity that in all likelihood exceeds the current US indutrial capacity or will soon enough. They are not impatient (Hitler - Operation Barbarossa - What the hell was he thinking?). They are dead set on a 'one china' policy. If the banks implode.... Look out on the foreign policy front. Goldi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hypertiger Posted December 21, 2002 Report Share Posted December 21, 2002 The behind the scenes deal is United States of America vs. China, Iraq and Afganistan are not going to be selling any oil to China. soon Iran and Saudi Arabia will be taken out of the equation... China has North Korea to do the dirty work... All in all if it was a complex risk board game the U.S. would have to turn into a military dictatorship to win, but that is a losing stratagy in the end... Have to see how the game unfolds in the middle of a global economic collapse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BEARDRECH Posted December 22, 2002 Report Share Posted December 22, 2002 TAKACHI DID U NOTICE THAT THROUGHOUT THE ARTICLE AUSTRIAN ECONOMIST WAS MENTIONED ONLY ONCE??? I guess we have to thank the reigning powers for granting us small favors--nevertheless its astonishing:i mean the almost total absence in the great debates currently raging ,of the term-- Austrianism-- I'm reminded of the laughter of legal cynics ,wisely named legal realists,who invariably riposted, whenever the term JUSTICE came up,saying"Justice is what judges say it is" and correspondingly Keynsians answering those asseverating the existence of a "Natural rate of interest(austrians)",we,monetarists control,through,powers beyond your ken,the OUR definition of a proper RATE OF INTEREST" I almost cant bear to use non-thelogical language anymore when discussing these things,espescially this GROWING ECONOMIC TOWER OF BABEL--and believe me when i tell you i am not,most emphatically, NOT A bible thumper . P.S. DID u read the litany by greenfool yesterday?the epitome of mendacity--he lies like a rug!!! beardrech Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldmember Posted December 22, 2002 Report Share Posted December 22, 2002 Actually it would appear that currently SUVs in China are quite expensive with the currency pegged to the U.S. dollar. Some U.S. models like Grand Cherokees sell for like 80 thousand bucks. GM has four plants happening there and appear to be gearing up not only for the Chinese market but for exports from China to North America. How did one GM executive put it: "The key to a new investment is to utilize its full potential" :shocked GM to Use Chinese Engine in SUV for North American Plants Chinamart Autorama I Chinamart Autorama II Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldmember Posted December 22, 2002 Report Share Posted December 22, 2002 The link about Chinese banks provided by Machinehead seems geared more to the slant of Citicorpse whining about not being able to inflate Shanghai's bubble at warp speed, which they would of course prefer. So with a new headquarters going up and 42 branches to fling fiat digits to the crapper wall with Citicorpse rolls out western media to whine about being constricted by Chinese banks that don't want to inflate as quickly lest a big bust imperils what has already been gained. The Chinese have been sending Super Soaker water pistols here for years and now Citycorpse goes over there with the Ultimate Fiat Super Pisser and the neighborhood boys don't want to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
assteroid Posted December 22, 2002 Report Share Posted December 22, 2002 China won't be an overwhelming threat. There are far more check marks in the minus column than the plus column. You can't compare their situation with our past. America's meteoric rise in the world was built on a confluence of forces both synchronistic, and synergistic, against a much cleaner environmental backdrop. China's water problems and inability to control oil prices, along with crushing corruption will act as a brake. It won't supplant the U.S. or Europe. It's domestic economy can't make up for the losses its going to sustain by our reduced ability to purchase. China is no longer a sleeping tiger, but it will remain a groggy tiger for decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrStool Posted December 22, 2002 Report Share Posted December 22, 2002 We are quickly catching up on the corruption front. As for civil liberties, we may not be far behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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