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The threat is debt deflation...

 

This GDP number is wonderful the debt needed to sustain it is unbelieveable...

 

Rates rise and the hope dies plain and simple...

 

This is a happy day...

 

It is a debt backed by debt system and the only way in the known universe to support the previous debt inflation which is what we are seeing today is with greater amounts of debt inflation...

 

You would need "average" mortgage rates of around 3.5% to 4% to even have a hope of prolonging this...

 

After basically the greatest fiscal stimulus in the history of the US the result is a jobless, consumer debt at record levels unsustainable...

 

BLIP

 

Note crapvision has talked about a blip also so they can escape when the time comes...

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Valero Energy just reported blowout earnings.

 

Note the huge increase in volume the last few days.

 

Might go long on this one if it takes off......

Earnings were better, I'll say that for DYN... over $4.00 and it could get exciting. Most likely will retest the 5.00.

 

As far as the refiners.... slam dunk this quarter. All of them.

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OK folks I'm seriously confused about the GDP here.

 

I took a bunch of math in school, so I should be able to get this but I can't seem to make it work.

 

In current dollars:

 

Q3 03 = 11,038

 

Q2 03 = 10,803

 

Q3 02 = 10,506

 

So the preceding Q comparison yields a percent increase of 2.1% (or 1.7% in chained dollars)

 

A year over year comparison yields 5.1% (or 3.3% in chained dollars)

 

Given that we just experienced the highest increase in the price index in recent years, which is subtracted from the current dollars to yield the real GDP, we should be looking at a number significantly lower than 5%.

 

I simply cannot make the posted numbers fit the percent increases posted in table 1.

 

Further, if you go to table 7 titled "Real Gross Domestic Product: Percent Change From Quarter One Year Ago" it states that the percent change is 3.3% agreeing with my chained dollar calculation.

 

Where the hell is the 7.2% coming from?

 

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thanks for info machine....personally just daytrading now trying to follow the volume trails. Good luck!!

 

 

Wndy, NSCN looks like it is going to uncharted territory. 30 maybe? Im a novice of stocks that arent down 400% and have a hard time judging mania behavior here!!.......selling my miners was a horrible move (disclosure of bad trades) :P

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The threat is debt deflation...

 

This GDP number is wonderful the debt needed to sustain it is unbelieveable...

 

Rates rise and the hope dies plain and simple...

 

This is a happy day...

 

It is a debt backed by debt system and the only way in the known universe to support the previous debt inflation which is what we are seeing today is with greater amounts of debt inflation...

 

You would need "average" mortgage rates of around 3.5% to 4% to even have a hope of prolonging this...

 

After basically the greatest fiscal stimulus in the history of the US the result is a jobless, consumer debt at record levels unsustainable...

 

BLIP

 

Note crapvision has talked about a blip also so they can escape when the time comes...

Interesting how money supply measures have started a steady downward trend that is not comparable to anything in the last 50 years or so. Declining supply of credit means that the Fed or whoever will have to work twice as hard to get interest rates low enough to stimulate even more borrowing (unless it is perceived that inflation is so strong that the price of credit - interest rates - no longer matters).

 

If those predictions of a rising GDP in the 4th quarter are true, then long term interest rates have a way to go higher.

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The MoGauge peaked at the end of May. Typically, it takes 6-10 weeks to fund these mortgages. That means the bulk of the mortgage boom proceeds hit the economy in the middle of the third quarter. The effects of the mortgage collapse will be seen this quater, as it is already showing up in the money supply.

 

The market is reacting to ancient history here, as is its wont.

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