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Bud, Homes should be the antithesis of the machine, not embrace sharp angles, hygiene, smooth surfaces and inorganic nature. There is a reason there has been such a reaction against this style and Fokker summed it up. It's about empty space and discreet units. Perfect for a zenmaster, but pretty alienating for the average Westerner who's already becoming a part of the machinery at work. Architecture under the internationalists became a sort of tyranny of artlessness, fit for dental hygenists and the anal compulsive but woefully inadequate for those more sensuous than the average toaster.



Le Corbusier proclaimed houses machines for living. Frank Lloyd Wright used to name houseflies in his studio after the Bauhaus architects and then nail them with fly-swatters. He had it right.

To proclaim that something is artless because it does not express handcraftsmanship, natural expressions of materials and organic expressions of space is limiting oneself to a tyranny of ignorance and prejudice. You seem to be missing, as most Americans do, the very definition of ART.

Sensuality is in the eye of the beholder. And a "home" is the life that people bring to a dwelling.


Corbusier's "machine for resting" chaise lounge. Pure sensuality.....

I'm with Thread on this one..cold, cold, cold...fine for the office (not mine), but not a home..oh well, different strokes for different folks..thank god for that or there would be no markets for us to discuss here on the Stool every day :lol:

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Need to post this again, I feel.


Finally got to Washington in the middle of the night

I couldn't wait

I headed straight for the Capitol Mall

My heart began to pound

Yahoo! It really exists

The American International Pictures logo


I looked up at that Capitol Building

Couldn't help but wonder why

I felt like saying "Hello, old friend"


Walked up the hill to touch it

Then I unzipped my pants

And pissed on it when nobody was looking


Like a great eternal Klansman

With his two flashing red eyes

Turn around he's always watching

The Washington Monument pricks the sky

With flags like pubic hair ringed 'round the bottom


The symbols of our heritage

Lit up proudly in the night

Somehow fits to see the homeless people

Passed out on the lawn


So this is where it happens

The power games and bribes

All lobbying for a piece of ass


Of the stars and stripes of corruption


Makes me feel so ashamed

To be an American

When we're too stuck up to learn from our mistakes

Trying to start another Viet Nam

Whilke fiddling while Rome burns at home

The Boss says, "You're laid off, blame the Japanese"

"America's back," alright

At the game it plays the worst

Strip mining the world like a slave plantation


No wonder others hate us

And the Hitlers we handpick

To bleed their people dry

For our evil empire


The drug we're fed

To make us like it

Is God and country with a band?


People we know who should know better

Howl, "America riles. Let's go to war!"

Business scams are what's worth dying for


Are the Soviets our worst enemy?

We're destroying ourselves instead

Who cares about our civil rights

As long as I get paid?


The blind Me-Generation

Doesn't care if life's a lie


So easily used, so proud to enforce

The stars and stripes of corruption


Let's bring it all down!

Let's bring it all down!

Let's bring it all down!


Tell me who's the real patriots

The Archie Bunker slobs waving flags?

Or the people with the guts to work

For some real change


Rednecks and bombs don't make us strong

We loot the world

Yet we can't even feed ourselves

Our real test of strength is caring

Not the toys of war we sell the world

Just carry on, thankful to be farmed like worms

Old glory for a blanket

As you suck on your thumbs


Real freedom scares you

'Cause it means responsibility


So you chicken out and threaten me


Saying, "Love it or leave it"

I'll get beat up if I criticize it

You say you'll fight to the death

To save your useless flag


If you want a banana republic that bad

Why don't you go move to one


But what can just one of us do?

Against all that money and power

Trying to crush us into roaches?


We won't destroy society in a day

Until we change ourselves first

From the inside out


We can start by not lying so much

And treating other people like dirt

It's easy not to base our lives

On how much we can scam


You know it feels good to lift that monkey off our backs


I'm thankful I live in a place

Where I can say the things I do

Without being taken out and shot

So I'm on guard against the goons

Trying to take my rights away

We've got to rise above the need for cops and laws


Let kids learn communication

Instead of schools pushing competition

How about more art and theaters instead of sports?


People will always do drugs

Let's legalize them

Crime drops when the mob can't price them

Budget's in the red?

Let's tax religion


No one will do it for us

We'll just have to fix ourselves

Honesty ain't all that hard

Just put Rambo back inside your pants

Causing trouble for the system is much more fun


Thanks for the toilet paper

Your flag is meaningless to me

Look around, we're all people

Who needs countries anyway?


Our land, I love it too

I think I love it more than you

I care enough to fight


The stars and stripes of corruption


Let's bring it all down!

If we don't try

If we just lie

If we can't find

A way to do it better than this

Who will?

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I resent your asking Doc for proof. We are here primarily

for Doc's excellent and detailed market reports.


Go find the facts yourself - all you are putting forth are

opinions - and not very convincing ones at that.


I am of the view that the two party system is

insane crap as for years we have been voting for

the two failed parties over and over, so I will not

defend either bush or kerry as all I see are

two bonesman who will not defend the constitution.


Doc can defend himself, of course, but please don't

come here and represent yourself as a 'patriot' and

try to get anyones goat. Here, everyone brings something

to the party, not try to break it up.

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Gasoline prices:


I have just returned from a short trip up the Calif. coast and back down the back side (east side) of the Sierra Mountains - great trip! (Well, actually I went 2,106 miles.)


Here is what I paid for gasoline. I always find the lowest price gas, and try to plan ahead to where I think I will find low priced gas so as not to pay the higher prices in small towns or isolated locations in between.


$1.91 Lake Havasu City. The price has just gone up from $1.87.


$2.23 Ontario. This is between L.A. and San Bernardino on Interstate 10. Since Calif. has cleaner burning fuel requirements than Arizona, it costs more to refine.


$2.23 San Luis Obispo. North of L.A. on highway 1, near Hearst's Castle, San Simeon.


$2.15 Santa Cruz. This is a tourist location, bedroom community for San Jose area, and a truck farming area (lettuce, carrots, brussel sprouts, broccoli, strawberrys, etc.).


$2.19 Fort Bragg. This is an isolated tourist town on the ocean north of San Francisco. The large lumber mill which made the town is now closed for some time.


$2.15 Sacramento. In the central valley on Interstate 80 halfway between S.F. and Reno. I have watched Sacramento's economy be dominated by Aerojet building rockets in the 50's and 60's (now a small operation) to military in the 70's and 80's with Mather and McClellan Air Force Bases and Sac. Army Depot (all gone) and now satellite operations of Silicon Valley high tech firms with Intel, H.P., Apple, NEC, and others in the area (when a person from the Bay Area is assigned to these facilities, they tell their co-workers they got Sac'd). There is a lot of government there, too, as Sacramento is the state capitol.


$2.15 Minden Nevada. This is on the back side of the Sierra's about an hour south of Reno. At South Lake Tahoe the price was $2.49, so glad I popped over the hill. Also, all the way down the back side on Rte 395 (tourist towns) gas was $2.49 until I reached the 395 / 58 junction (Kremmers Junction). 323 miles on that leg.


$2.15 Kremmers Junction. North of San Bernardino on Rte 395, and 40 miles west of Barstow. This is desert and not far from Edwards Air Force Base where the Space Shuttle has landed, and not far from Mojave where Space Ship One now operates from.


From there it was 177 miles to Needles Calif. on the Calif / Arizona border, and another 40 miles down here to Lake Havasu City, hard desert the whole way.


So there you have it, and now that I look at it, I don't know why gas was so high priced near the L.A. area. Seems like it should have been less.


Also, once I got to San Bernardino the air really started getting foul, so that by the time I got just north of L.A. it was so thick you could cut it with a knife. Why people chose to live there is beyond me. When I got northeast, to Ventura, the air cleared as the wind was blowing off the ocean.


As an aside, I stayed in motels paying from $45 to $65 per night, and found the beds all too firm for my old body. Miss my RV, Yobob. Gonna get me a woman and an RV. :lol: I rented an RV in Alaska once, and that worked out very well.

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BudFox.......i'm about on same page as you. Minimalism inspires me.


A simple bowl and plate are pure functions........hard to improve upon

them............why do people even try?

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Guest Icky Twerp

Any of youse guys see the SF/PHX game (still on). . .

SF just tied the score with a 2-point conversion.

The SF receiver got away with a push-off for the score.

The TV Color Guy said "He wanted it more than the defender. . .if you're not cheatin' in that situation you don't want to win".


This is the essence of what is wrong with Pro sports (all of them) these days (if not always, from the beginning of Big Time Sports).


This is what is wrong with politics, too. And Big Business. And organized religion. And what has become the "American" way of doing things.


In a nationalistic sense, it becomes a kerry-like morass to explain how it is better to lose honestly than to win by cheating -- but the reverse is also a sticky point.


Enron, Worldcom, AA, etc, all believed that Cheating only happens when you actually get caught at it, and that it is an essential component to "success", "winning".


Professional Politicians, as we have seen in our free-and-open, no-hold-barred dialog this weekend, feel the same way. . ."spinning" is not lying, poaching votes is not cheating, on-and-on-and-on, in pursuit of ideological goals that overwhelm the principles that get lipservice. :cry:

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On this Bauhaus thing, I obviously prefer some "fur" and "feathers" to my nest. But that's an aesthetic preference based on my own experience. What's entirely inspirational is to be among such a fine group as this, to be able to discuss and debate with individuals who have studied, thought and reflected. The rest are just deets, really.

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Gasoline prices:

For the record,


$2.59 in SF


$2.30 in Marin


this past week.

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Bud,Le Corbusier's lounge is a perfect study of fascism rendered in furnishing. It doesn't invite the weary Nazi to set a spell, but rather demands it. If houses are machines for living, fit for dental hygienist dominatrixes-- this is the perfect dentist's chair. :wink2: :grin:

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A short technical review of the three popular averages.


The COMPQ is now trading below its 200 day moving average in the yearly chart, after touching a Bollinger Band high of 1969. The %K line stochastic peaked and is dropping. The combination of the two technical indicators suggests the COMPQ has some down time coming up over the intermediate term. All we need now is for the 3 day moving average to fall below the 18 day moving average for confirmation. (The 3 and 18 day moving average crossover is one of the short term signals I use.) Support on this down move for the COMPQ may be seen at about the 1852 area, if 1900 breaks over the shorter term.


The S&P 500 index is trading at its 200 day moving average in the yearly chart. It touched its Bollinger Band top of 1442 late last week and began dropping. With a falling stochastic and CCI, the index is likely to continue its downward trend for at least a few more days. Support may be seen around the 1110 and 1102 areas over the near term. Until the MACD drops below 0, the up trend that began in August remains, even if the chart breaks the 1110 level.


Looking at the Dow Jones Industrial Averages, we could see a bounce higher from the strong supported level of 10,000 when reached which should be early in the week, unless we have an extraordinarily bad news situation develop. Lower Bollinger Band support is at 9975 and may also be seen sometime soon over the next week or two. On a cautionary note the Dow?s 3 day moving average is below its 18 day moving average. This hints that downside pressure may continue for a minimum of at least a few days. The MACD line is now blow 0, suggesting the downtrend began in Feb. will keep the Dow Industrials moving lower over the longer term. It may see the 9800 level before a significant rebound develops.


Astro-Aspects are detailed per day for the week upcoming

also in this link................interesting stuff



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Monday, October 11, 2004

? ET/GMT? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Expected? Previous

0800/1200? ? ? ? ? Tsy Secy Snow to speak at

? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?  Mansfield-Richland Area Chamber of

? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?  Commerce in Mansfield, Ohio

1200/1600? ? ? ? ? Tsy Secy Snow to speak at Lima Rotary

? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?  Club luncheon in Lima, Ohio

1345/1745? ? ? ? ? Tsy Secy Snow to speak at Ohio Northern

? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?  University in Ada, Ohio

?  N/A? ? ? ? ? ?  Columbus Day; Govt Offices, Bond Market

? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?  Closed

Tuesday, October 12, 2004

? ET/GMT? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Expected? Previous

0745/1145? Oct 9?  ICSC/UBS Chain Store Sales? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?  +0.3%

0855/1255? Oct 9?  Redbook Retail Sales? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?  +0.7%

1000/1400? Sept? ? Richmond Fed Manufacturing Index? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?  +18

1100/1500? Sept? ? Kansas City Fed Manufacturing Index? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? +15

1200/1600? Aug? ?  Chicago Fed Manufacturing Index? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? -0.6%

1200/1600? ? ? ? ? Tsy Secy Snow to speak at City Club of

? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?  Cleveland in Cleveland, Ohio

1330/1730? ? ? ? ? Tsy Secy Snow to tour Cuyahoga

? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?  Community College Corporate College in

? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?  Westlake, Ohio

1830/2230? Oct 9?  ABC/Money Magazine Consumer Confidence? ? ? ? ? ?  -12

? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?  Index


Wednesday, October 13, 2004

? ET/GMT? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Expected? Previous

0700/1100? Oct 9?  MBA Refinancing Index? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? +2.7%

2100/0100? ? ? ? ? Pres Bush and Sen Kerry debate in

? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?  Tempe, Ariz.

Thursday, October 14, 2004

? ET/GMT? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Expected? Previous

0830/1230? Oct 9?  Initial Jobless Claims? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?  -37K

0830/1230? Sep? ?  Import Prices? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? +1.7%

0830/1230? Aug? ?  Intl Trade Balance? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?  -$50.15B

0900/1300? ? ? ? ? Fed Gov Bernanke speaks at

? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?  "International Monetary Reform and

? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?  Capital Freedom" conference in

? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?  Washington

1000/1400? Oct 2?  DJ-BTM Business Barometer? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? +0.3%

1630/2030? ? ? ? ? Money Supply


Friday, October 15, 2004

? ET/GMT? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Expected? Previous

0830/1230? Sept? ? PPI? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? -0.1%

0830/1230? Sept? ? PPI, ex-food and energy? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? -0.1%

0830/1230? Sept? ? Retail & Food Sales? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? -0.3%

0830/1230? Sept? ? Retail & Food Sales, Ex-autos? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? +0.2%

0830/1230? Oct? ?  Empire State Mfg Index? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?  28.34

0915/1315? Sept? ? Indus Production? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?  +0.1%

0915/1315? Sept? ? Capacity Utilization? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?  77.3%

0945/1345? Oct? ?  Preliminary Univ of Michigan Sentiment? ? ? ? ? ?  94.2

1000/1400? Aug? ?  Business Inventories? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?  +0.9%

1200/1600? ? ? ? ? Fed Chmn Greenspan to speak on oil at

? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?  Natl Italian-American Foundation in

? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?  Washington


Dow Jones Newswires

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Strange stuff on Gas, I filled up today for the equivalent of $1.87 a gallon in U.S. $'s at @ per litre price of 81.9 cents Canadian minus my 3.5 cents discount for using my gas card. Every Oil Company is offering at least a 3 cent a litre discount to maintain market share. Now our big Oil Companies are not philanthropists by any stretch but Gas here is now cheaper than or depending where you live the same as in the U.S.. Methinks the rising Loonie is part of it but the thought crosses my mind that big Oil is socking it to the American Consumer. Here the crazed desire to maintain market share is thru competition holding the price down but THAT is not happening in the U.S.! ;)

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Patriot - I don't know why you are doing this. yes, you are indeed baiting this board. before you tell us again how you would like to control the functions of my uterus, I'll just exercise my "freedom" to tell you it is none of your damn business.

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Bud,Le Corbusier's lounge is a perfect study of fascism rendered in furnishing.? It doesn't invite the weary Nazi to set a spell, but rather demands it. If houses are machines for living, fit for dental hygienist dominatrixes-- this is the perfect dentist's chair.? :wink2:? :grin:

Hereasy! Corbusier was an idealist, a purist, and a utopian. The chair was designed in 1928, by the way.


The Bauhaus ideal of functionality over ornament was born out of the hardships of Weimar Germany. (See! It ties back to economics) And the flourishes of Art Deco were not appropriate during the economic and political disruptions of the 30's in both the US and Europe.

The Nazis actually closed down the Bauhaus fearing it's subversive "cosmopolitan" influences, and preferring a more Arian style (pitched roofs, timber framing, etc).

It seems that Nazi traditions have endured in the form of the average American tract home more than anyone would care to recognize.

Curiously, Tel Aviv has one of the largest collection of buildings in the International Style in the world.

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