Guest Posted October 3, 2004 Report Share Posted October 3, 2004 US Officers in Iraq,situation GRIM With superior numbers and technology, U.S. troops could prevail in almost any conventional battle, officers say. But they run the risk of losing against the insurgency in the long run because the war ultimately is not about killing targets. History shows it?s about winning the popular support, many officers say. The Iraqi public ? weary of insecurity but afraid to side with the Americans ? may not champion the insurgents. Yet they still believe the violence would abate if U.S. forces leave, according to officers serving there. Put simply, the more destruction U.S. troops inflict in Iraq, the less support they will enjoy from the population, according to a number of officers and military historians. ?The only measurement of effectiveness that matters in this war is perception, specifically what the insurgent ? and more importantly what the population ? perceives to be true,? said one officer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Short'em High Posted October 3, 2004 Report Share Posted October 3, 2004 And a thrilling year it has been - ytd sales are up 157%. Cash now represents 60+% of "book value". ... Congrats Machinehead on your fine analysis of the Fukdaq. Sadly the NYSE isn't much better. The pure concept of a stock market is investing (i.e. you expect a higher real return than holding cash equivalents) in companies that you think will propsper over time and pay you dividends commensurate with the risk. Appreciation of the underlying security will occur organically if the company executes well and is able to increase dividends. At least that's my interpretation of the way things should work. Obviously that's not what we have. We have nothing more than a giant ponzi gamlbing casino in about 99.9% of the listed securities. It is all based strictly on the concept of asset appreciation with almost total disregard for the actual performance of the company. Nothing more than the greater fool theory at work. .... Secondly, and more importantly, has been the slash and burn mentality of cost cutting. Is there much left to cut? Management bloat, R & D and advertising are about the only things left on the table. The thing with slash and burn in a forest scenario is you can normally only raise one crop on the newly cleared land before the soil runs out of sufficient nutrients. That crop has already been harvested for corporate America. If you want to keep farming you have to add a lot of fertilizer. Unfortunately coporate America couldn't see the forest for the trees. Their rush to move production and outsource services overseas was effectively the shipment of the fertilizer to a new forest. The second crop will be considerably smaller, if it grows at all. The attempts by the pro-Shrub gang to put a positive spin on the debate are pathetic. IMO they merely serve to illustrate just how lame that duck is. yobob, Nice post as always. Congrats on your business. SEH is in the midst of trying to build up a new one on his own. High tech ranchin' so to speak. Long hours in the beginning to be sure. Couldn't agree more on your stock market assessment. In the big picture sense, much of the gains were driven by debt fueled liquidity. Corporate America is systematically outsourcing our children's future, it is sad. Shrub spin. What a joke. Ken Melman must have been squirming in his seat. W came off defensive, repetitive and unprofessional. A sub-par performance. Problem is Melman is one smart SOB and one of the major forces in keeping Bush's message focused in a way that gets electorate strirred in W's favor. It's tough to put ones head down and produce sometimes with the knowledge we have of ShankStreet & Corruptington, DC. The slime that inhabits the the top echelons of corporations and government is a Darwinian freak show of epic proportions. The question is this mutant strain of the gene pool taking over, soon to flame out or same as its ever been? SEH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizarro-Greenspan Posted October 3, 2004 Report Share Posted October 3, 2004 "Do as I say,not as I do." "The G-7 want the International Energy Agency to improve "oil data transparency'' so it can better tell if price fluctuations are because of too much supply, demand or speculation. " Boo hoo,they're getting all confused and discombobulated because the true market dynamics of oil are somewhat murky.Welcome to the jungle,boyz. It's kinda like the one you've set up in the gold market. Party on,doods,it's LATER THAN YOU THINK. Gawd,we hates them,yesss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
threadbare Posted October 3, 2004 Report Share Posted October 3, 2004 Doc, NWD, I'd love to help the Kuwaiti women but I'm busy teaching a group of Innuit children with club feet how to bake Eskimo pies. Nigerian astronauts! har. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 3, 2004 Report Share Posted October 3, 2004 IMF gold stunt works thusly;Sell gold to hapless debtor at book value of 40 something dollas,buy back gold at current value.Voila,debt relief,the IMF gives uppaper gain on gold,that useless reserve relic that is really only good for door stops and paper weights. No gold was harmed making this movie,as a matter of fact,I'd be very surprised if the IMF possesses any real gold whatsoever.It's all leased out. Just like the US Treasury/Fed munkies,THEY NEVER SHOW US THE GOLD THEY SAY THEY THEY HAVE!!! Show us the real money,or shove yer bumwad where the sun don't shine. Bizzaro, you raise an issue that has long been stuck in my craw! Where is the US GOLD? I raised this question several years ago on Yahoo Financial boards and got blown out of the water by people who insisted "Our US Gold is in Ft Knox." That "belief" was not supported by any evidence. So the question remains: Where is our US Gold? I have read that it was transferred to the New York Federal Reserve. I have read that huge amounts of gold was found under the WTC complex after the attacks, in transfer buckets outside any vaults, etc. So what is the real story? Does the US have any gold? We know that the US supply of Silver ran out some time ago and the govt now has to go to the market to buy silver for our coins. I think that its an important issue to determine WHERE the claimed US Gold is actually being kept. Nobody can get into Ft Knox to see if its full or empty. I am tired of being deceived on so many things by this gov't. WHERE IS OUR GOLD? :cry: :cry: :cry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mars Posted October 3, 2004 Report Share Posted October 3, 2004 "The G-7 want the International Energy Agency to improve "oil data transparency'' so it can better tell if price fluctuations are because of too much supply, demand or speculation. " Say what? Does anyone in the world have a precise enough model to determine exact values for supply and demand of any commodity? This is like asking a person who just won a hand of blackjack whether it was by skill or luck and what percentage of each went into the play. These people are truly nuts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
threadbare Posted October 3, 2004 Report Share Posted October 3, 2004 Mars, Once Snowjob gets debt relief for the poorest countries, Iraqi oil profits can flow directly into reparations to the US. Because, after all, other than Haiti is there a more indebted poverty stricken mess of a country than Iraq right now? What a cynical bunch of basturds. Imagine being stuck with the bill to the guys who bombed the crap out of your country. I'm absolutely breathless with anger some days---and I have to watch my caffeine consumption. :wink2: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mars Posted October 3, 2004 Report Share Posted October 3, 2004 Sherlock, you ask amazing questions. Where is OUR gold? Do we really have any? Or do we just have a digital representation of it somewhere? The safest place to store gold, IMO would be in the Marianas Trench out in the Atlantic. Since it is only a representation that never needs to be produced why waste time, effort and money storing it somewhere where it needs protection. Just weigh it and then dump it into 3 miles of cold Ocean water, mark an X on the map and there it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mars Posted October 3, 2004 Report Share Posted October 3, 2004 Mars, Once Snowjob gets debt relief for the poorest countries, Iraqi oil profits can flow directly into reparations to the US. Because, after all, other than Haiti is there a more indebted poverty stricken mess of a country than Iraq right now? What a cynical bunch of basturds. Imagine being stuck with the bill to the guys who bombed the crap out of your country. I'm absolutely breathless with anger some days---and I have to watch my caffeine consumption. :wink2: There are a couple of others but you are correct (and correct to be angry) about Iraq. I told all my buds before we went into this adventure that it was a bad idea, that we weren't going to come out of it whole, etc - But they told me to shut up and deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 3, 2004 Report Share Posted October 3, 2004 Say it ain't so!!! DEBATE MYSTERY: DID KERRY HAVE CHEAT SHEET? http://drudgereport.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 3, 2004 Report Share Posted October 3, 2004 US Officers in Iraq,situation GRIM There is enough material inside and outside the administration to support another Dniel Ellsburg style The Pentagon Papers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiding Bear Posted October 3, 2004 Report Share Posted October 3, 2004 IMF gold stunt works thusly;Sell gold to hapless debtor at book value of 40 something dollas,buy back gold at current value.Voila,debt relief,the IMF gives uppaper gain on gold,that useless reserve relic that is really only good for door stops and paper weights. No gold was harmed making this movie,as a matter of fact,I'd be very surprised if the IMF possesses any real gold whatsoever.It's all leased out. Just like the US Treasury/Fed munkies,THEY NEVER SHOW US THE GOLD THEY SAY THEY THEY HAVE!!! Show us the real money,or shove yer bumwad where the sun don't shine. Bizzaro, you raise an issue that has long been stuck in my craw! Where is the US GOLD? I raised this question several years ago on Yahoo Financial boards and got blown out of the water by people who insisted "Our US Gold is in Ft Knox." That "belief" was not supported by any evidence. So the question remains: Where is our US Gold? I have read that it was transferred to the New York Federal Reserve. I have read that huge amounts of gold was found under the WTC complex after the attacks, in transfer buckets outside any vaults, etc. So what is the real story? Does the US have any gold? We know that the US supply of Silver ran out some time ago and the govt now has to go to the market to buy silver for our coins. I think that its an important issue to determine WHERE the claimed US Gold is actually being kept. Nobody can get into Ft Knox to see if its full or empty. I am tired of being deceived on so many things by this gov't. WHERE IS OUR GOLD? :cry: :cry: :cry: To the best of my knowledge no audit of Ft. Knox has been conducted for the last 50 years or so. Again to my knowledge, they have not announced any sales of gold for 20 years or longer ago. I personally believe ther is no gold at Ft. Knox. The gold owned by the US was lent to the Federal Reserve when it took over the production of currency. There was somewhat of a dual issuance of money up until the 60s by the Treasury and Fed. The gold under the WTC mostly belongs to COMEX warehouses, and the WTC was where the COMEX was located until 9/11. The gold under the Federal Reserve of NY mostly belongs to foreign countries (mostly Europe) and the IMF, being transferred there and never returned to Europe because of security reasons. Essentially the US$ is backed by nothing and has no intrinsic value other than a legally mandated medium of exchange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 3, 2004 Report Share Posted October 3, 2004 US Officers in Iraq,situation GRIM There is enough material inside and outside the administration to support another Dniel Ellsburg style The Pentagon Papers. If a Kerry Administration comes to pass, just imagine the shredding that will commence prior to the departure of the present administration. Avoiding War Crimes and Treason charges would require the biggest cover-up in history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 3, 2004 Report Share Posted October 3, 2004 Mars...... The safest place to store gold, IMO would be in the Marianas Trench out in the Atlantic. Marianas is Pacific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yaryman Posted October 3, 2004 Report Share Posted October 3, 2004 Say it ain't so!!! DEBATE MYSTERY: DID KERRY HAVE CHEAT SHEET? http://drudgereport.com/ Did that "cheat sheat" make the President repeat his slogans over and over as though he doesn't have an orginal thought going thru his pea brain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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