Guest Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 excellent practical advice, Dharma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sphinxter Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 I'm loving these super high tick readings. Clearly there is a great need to suddenly own stocks during the last half hour before the weekend. Especially right after a nightmarish Trade Deficit number, a softer ConCon, and surging oil. I mean, those were revealed in to me business school as the holy trinity of higher stock prices. Here's a posting today from another board by the person who broke the 990N story. Date: Fri Aug 13, 2004 2:22 pm Subject: I am so sick of this manipulation The pig wants to go down in the worst way. Until, suddenly, the inexplicable futures buying occurs. Not on a limit, but market orders to take out the ask. Then, push to a level (in this case 1063) and sit on the perpetually refreshed bid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 The manipulation is always done with market orders. Limit orders would imply that the buyer was interested in acquiring the securities at the best value for the client. Market orders imply a desire to get the WORST POSSIBLE FILL PRICE AND GAP THE SHIT OUT OF IT. That's why it's so obvious it's manipulation designed specifically to prop the indexes...as no trader in their right mind would be compelled to place massive market orders in a down trend. What could be more obvious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NWD Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 What a laugher today... Here's how manipulated this thing is: Pissonme gets the script prior to the open today, and all day long he proclaims: "Today we are witnessing the decoupling of the stock market from the price of oil.? You note that oil is up again here today, but the markets are shrugging it off.? This is a good sign that the fundamentals of stocks like Dell are overpowering the higher oil prices." Now, who told him to say that today?? How is it that the oil price sensitive stocks are not getting hammered and the market is not in a free fall? Because your United States Treasury, through its 990N account, is buyin every share of stock for sale. What a joke! Plunger; Why Treasury and not the Fed? Treasury is the entity designated by law to intervene in the markets...and they're the ones with the money. What I mean is: the Treasury is just one of the two with "the money." The Fed can bypass the taxpayers and wish into existence all the "money" it wants for this purpose, correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machinehead Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 Heh! Looks like our MF fumble manager friends may have some MOC sell orders lined up. You don't think the peeps have been redeeming ... do you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ned38 Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 Must..................................close.........................................green Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lock Limit Down Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 This is one pathetic bounce off 1060 Reestablishing positions before the weekend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian4 Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 don't worry it will be red they are sucking for every breath! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 NWD: The details of how they're doing it and which pile cash they are using is not known to me, nor does it really matter at all. The result is what matters, and somehow, they are burning up a whole ton of taxpayer money through unconventional means in an attempt to ensure that the entire global economy doesn't spiral off the planet. The more bears they kill, the more equities they'll ultimately own if the bottom ever falls out. Anybody who believes that this close isn't the result of manipulation is a coincidence theorist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lock Limit Down Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 Hurricane just hit shore at Sanibel Island. Thank God my parents sold their condo there.. Prayers go out to all in the path off this monster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeakOil Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 The manipulation is always done with market orders. Limit orders would imply that the buyer was interested in acquiring the securities at the best value for the client. Market orders imply a desire to get the WORST POSSIBLE FILL PRICE AND GAP THE SHIT OUT OF IT. That's why it's so obvious it's manipulation designed specifically to prop the indexes...as no trader in their right mind would be compelled to place massive market orders in a down trend. What could be more obvious? Word! (you're on a roll Plunger) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sphinxter Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 What a laugher today... Here's how manipulated this thing is: Pissonme gets the script prior to the open today, and all day long he proclaims: "Today we are witnessing the decoupling of the stock market from the price of oil.? You note that oil is up again here today, but the markets are shrugging it off.? This is a good sign that the fundamentals of stocks like Dell are overpowering the higher oil prices." Now, who told him to say that today?? How is it that the oil price sensitive stocks are not getting hammered and the market is not in a free fall? Because your United States Treasury, through its 990N account, is buyin every share of stock for sale. What a joke! Plunger; Why Treasury and not the Fed? Treasury is the entity designated by law to intervene in the markets...and they're the ones with the money. What I mean is: the Treasury is just one of the two with "the money." The Fed can bypass the taxpayers and wish into existence all the "money" it wants for this purpose, correct? Sure the Fed could do that, but that would get picked up immediately in an audit. Everything the fed does is audited, every year, no exceptions. Well, except for "emergency actions". And, well, also for actions of the FOMC, those aren't audited either. And, um, any of the books associated with any actions that the Fed doesn't want audited, those aren't done either. and oh yeah, this one too: Operations at each Federal Reserve Bank also are subject to review by the General Accounting Office (GAO), the audit arm of the U.S. Congress. However, GAO auditors are restricted by law from reviewing monetary policy operations and transactions carried out by the Federal Reserve on behalf of foreign central banks. Straight from the crooks themselves But, other than those few minor expections, everything is audited. Want to know how many wastebaskets they have? You can find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 Your tax dollars at work. Aren't you proud? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 Tampa Dodged a major bullet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lock Limit Down Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 In the face of what has happened recently this is the most reckless buying in recent memory. A 10 sigma is on the doorstep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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